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Little guide to the knowledge of the PC

[b]*WARNING DO NOT BUY SAPHIRE RADEON 9800PRO[/b] [*][color=white]This might help you if you consider upgrading your computer. First off , this guide is dedicated to the people who have no knowledge about computer and who think that a celeron 2.8ghz is better than a duron 1.4 ghz. If you dont know what those 2 word means.....realy read this post. 1- The Cpu (Central Processing Unit) Your CPU is used to calculate things (YIPE) like player position, shadow, bullet speed, damage and about everything else that need to be calculated. In fact games that has some complex AI (if you dont know what AI mean .... go watch Red vs Blue ..... If you dont know whta is red vs blue leave this forum now) will need a better CPU (Like the halo campain). Your cpu has ALMOST nothing to do with the visual appearence of a game (This is handled by the video card) so if you want better visual and you have an half decent cpu dont even bother upgrading it. ........So lets go into details There is 2 brand of cpu : INTEL (INTegrated ELectronic) and AMD (Advanced Micro Device) INTEL Pentium 1 Play game that are 10 years old .... if you want to play halo or any other game get a newer CPU Pentium 2 Same things as pentium 1 Pentium 3 This CPU is the minimum to play today game and its the VERY minimum. P3 range from 450 to 1300 mhz. If you have a P3 with less than 800 mhz you will not be able to play halo. With more than 800mhz you will be able to play halo (or some other new games) but with poor performance. Pentium 4 There is 4 variant of the p4 : The P4a , the P4b , the P4c and the P4e P4a (1.3ghz to 1.8ghz) Mhz for Mhz the p3 is better than those CPU. The P4a is a rushed CPU made by intel to compete with the AMD. Those CPU were and are still a waste of money. Those cpu were replaced by the P4b. Using a p4a you will be able to play halo with some good fps (depending on the speed of it and of your video card) but in the campain and in medium fight you will notice some major slow down... P4b (1.8ghz to 2.6ghz (i do think that there is a 2.8ghz version)) A much better version of the P4. Still weaker than the AMD variant those p4 offer good perfomance in every game including halo. With a cpu like this (still depend on his speed) you will be able to play halo with good fps with some minor slowdown in big fight. P4c (2.4ghz to 3.4ghz) also called NORTHWOOD The best series of P4. Those cpu are very powerfull and are only beaten by the more recent AMD 64bit CPU. With a cpu like this you should be able (if you have a good video card) to play halo with almost no slow down of any kind. (Those cpu are also good overclocker). If you want this CPU to perform to his max you MUST have dual channel ram (more on that later). P4e (2.4ghz to 3.4ghz) also called PRESCOTT In one word : WASTE. Those cpu perform less than the "c" version of the p4 and HEAT A LOT. If you buy this cpu you will no longer need to heat your room during winter. Celeron (any kind) Pure waste of silicon and money. Those cpu are a shame. Take your money and go buya real cpu. In fact a 2.4ghz Celeron is 50 to 70 % slower than a cheap (30$) AMD Duron 1400mhz. If you play halo with this cpu you will get some major slow down even in calm zone. P4 extreme A VERY VERY expensive Cpu. If you play halo with this cpu you not notice any lag even in the biggest fight. For 1000$+ those cpu are a waste of money over the less expensive athlon 64 who offer equivalent performance. AMD NOTE : THE NUMBER THAT REPRESENT THE CPU (EX: 3200+) DO NOT REPRESENT THE CLOCK SPEED (A 3200+ run at 2.2ghz) but dont be fooled clock rate do not represent speed. Ex: A A64 3400+ at 2.4 ghz is faster than a p4c 3.2ghz. K6 Waste. Athlon "no xp" (600 to 1400mhz) Those cpu perform a little less than the p3 With a 800 mhz Athlon or more you SHOULD be able to play halo with 5 fps (Frame per second) Athlon xp (1400+ to 3200+) Those cpu are cheap, fast, stable....(speed depend on the model) Generaly those cpu are the best choice for a cheap and good pc. Cheaper than the best celeron the slowest athlon xp (1400+) can triple the performance of the celeron. Go figure... Those CPU will play halo very well depending on the model. 1400 to 2000 = Small slowdown in big battle 2200 to 3200 = Very good performance Athlon 64 (2800, 3000, 3200, 3400) The A64 2800 is litterally the best price/performance cpu out there. The A64 3400 is among the best cpu ever made so far. For the price those cpu are great , and 64 bit is a bonus. Any of those CPU play halo with no lag of any kind. :D (Those are my personnal favorite) Athlon FX (51-53) Pretty much like the P4 Extreme edition but ..... faster and with 64 bit (more like a bonus). Those are simply the fastest. If you have problem playing halo with those one you are smoking good things or you have a very bad video card. 2-The video card The video card is the what generate all the beatifull effect in a game (ie: halo). There is 2 company who make video card : ATI and NVIDIA (Any other brand is PURE waste). The better your video card the faster the frame will go (FPS : frame per second). Cards will be classified like this: -Name: xxxxxxx -Memory: xxx -Speed: xx/10 -Comment: xxxxxxxxxxx NVIDIA -Name: Geforce 256 and less -Memory: 16,32 or 64 -Speed: 0.5/10 -Comment: i would not bother playing halo with this. -Name: Geforce2 -Memory: 16,32 or 64 -Speed: 1.5/10 -Comment: Fair performance for its age and very low price. -Name: Geforce2 mx -Memory: 32 or 64 -Speed: 0.2/10 -Comment: Forget it. -Name: Geforce3 -Memory: 32 or 64 -Speed: 3 or 4 depending on the model /10 -Comment: Aging but still good cards (better than any mx) and you can have those for very low $$$. -Name: Geforce4 mx400 or 440 -Memory: 64 or 128 -Speed: 2/10 -Comment: A glorified Geforce 2 with higher clock rate. -Name: Geforce 4 Ti-4200 -Memory: 64 or 128 -Speed: 4/10 -Comment: VERY good card for the price but no directx 9 support (less eyes candy). Showing its age. BTW the 128 mb version WITH agp 8x is the fastest version. The 128 mb version with no agp is a card using very slow ram. -Name: Geforce 4 Ti-4400 -Memory: 64 or 128 -Speed: 4.2/10 -Comment: An overclocked Ti-4200. Get a 4200 and overclock it... -Name: Geforce 4 Ti-4600 -Memory:64 or 128 -Speed: 4.4/10 -Comment: An overclocked Ti-4400. Get a 4200 and overclock it more... The FX cards got 2 version : non-ultra and ultra..... The ultra is an overclocked version of the other. Basically 10-15% faster. -Name: Geforce FX-5200 and 5200ultra -Memory: 64, 128 and 256 -Speed: 2/10 -Comment: Waste of money, the 128 and 256 mb version are even more a waste. Halo is playable but almost no eye candy. Low fps in large battle. "Support DX9" -Name: Geforce FX-5500 -Memory: 128 and 256 -Speed: 2.1/10 -Comment: A tad faster than the fx5200, but still very crappy as a card. -Name: Geforce FX-5600 and 5600ultra -Memory: 128 -Speed: 3.5/10 -Comment: I am sceptical about those card. They perform slow in some game and good in other. In halo they run between slow and medium. Not all the eyes candy can be turned on. Support DX9 -Name: Geforce FX-5700 and 5700ultra -Memory: 128 and 256 -Speed: 4.5/10 -Comment: Pretty good mid-range card. Use good memory. Halo playable with smooth frame rate. Some slowdown in battle. Eye candy turned on and 800x600 should be playable. 256mb Version not much expensive compared to 128mb but still not much performance difference. Support DX9 -Name: Geforce FX-5800 and 5800ultra -Memory: 6.5/10 -Speed: 128 and 256 -Comment: Also called the leaf blower this card make terrible noise and push a lot of air. A big fiasquo. Run realy bad in some game. *Discontinued* . Performance in halo are good with some visual quality problem. "Support DX9" -Name: Geforce FX-5900 and 5900ultra -Memory: 128 and 256 -Speed: 8.8/10 -Comment: Much better version of the 5800. This card is less noisy. Performance are a bit under the ATI equivalent , the 9800pro. Performance in halo should be very good with all eyes candy on and a resolution of 1024*768. Support DX9 -Name: Geforce FX-5950ultra -Memory: 256 -Speed: 9/10 -Comment: Not much more speed than the 5900ultra (1-4% more) but a BIG price difference...Basically a overclocked 5900ultra. Support DX9 -Name: Geforce FX-5900XT -Memory: 128 -Speed: 7/10 -Comment: This is a VERY good card for the price. It can even be overclocked to a 5900ultra. Good halo performance. Support DX9. -Name: Geforce FX-6800 -Memory: 256mb -Speed: 10/10 -Comment: Very good card. Support PS 3.0. About 40% faster than FX-5900 [b]-Name: Geforce FX-6800GT -Memory: 256mb -Speed: 13.9/10 -Comment: The best card to get at the moment, Kill everything for the price!!![/b] -Name: Geforce FX-6800LE -Memory: 128mb -Speed: 8.5/10 -Comment: Much faster than the 9800pro/5900ultra in some games....slower in other. Good card for 200$ and less. -Name: Geforce FX-6800ultra -Memory: 256mb -Speed: 14/10 -Comment: About 100-120% faster than 5950ultra... [/color] [Edited on 8/29/2004 11:25:30 AM]
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  • Your gonna fly. [quote][color=black][b]The one and [/color][color=olive]only[/color][color=black] Captain Obvious Guru of PC hardware help[/b][/color] [quote][*][url=http://halo.bungie.org/][b][color=000066]Halo CNN 24/24 7/7[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=29475][b][color=000066]Little guide to the knowledge of the PC[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76031][b][color=000066]Ultimate Halo 2 guide (Outdated)[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://seventhcolumn.bungie.net/perlbin/blam.pl?file=/fanclub/10957][b][color=000066]The Forum Militia[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html][b][color=000066]Click here only if you realy are an [u]idiot[/u][/color][/b][/url] [/quote] [quote][b][color=olive]AOD-Coylter[/color] [url=http://www.team-aod.com/][color=black]Army Of Darkness[/color][/url][/b][/quote][/quote]

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  • hey guys i changed the 9800 pro for the 6800 and i made a good choice because i was getting the 9800 128mb 219$and far cry ( the game for 31$ more) and i changed for the 6800 128mb 283$( faster than the 9800pro and it includes far cry for free!! is there anything better in this wrold?) have i made a good choice in changing the video crad ? i did this because the mobo had an nvidia chipset and i didnt wanted to mess ati with nvidia asus mobo wtih nvidia drivers.... this is a good reason. I wont go with socket 934 because i cant afford so much money so i stick with the best socket 754 combo ( the amd 64 3400 and the asus k8n-e nforce3 250gb mobo) Is this an intelligent decision? BTW: everything i know about hardware, i learned it from Coylter and moriarity. ( i thank both of you) what do you ( coylter, yellow dart and any1 else) about my pc configuration for less than 1250$? [Edited on 9/30/2004 6:38:19 PM]

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  • Dood... why waste your money on socket 940? Socket 939 A64 chips have a nice performance gain over the socket 940's. Forget the A64 3400+ and get a 3500+. And plz plz get more than 512mb of ram... at least a gig if you want that rig to scream through games. For some really killer info on hardware, check these forums out. No better place to get info on the net. www.ocforums.com -=[edit]=- Also, it might be a good idea to think about getting a geforce 6600 GT. They're typically about 20-40% faster than a 9800 XT. They'll even outperform an x800 Pro in Doom 3... not too shabby for a $200 card. ;) [Edited on 9/30/2004 2:06:35 PM]

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  • ^^^^ Totally true [quote][color=black][b]The one and [/color][color=olive]only[/color][color=black] Captain Obvious Guru of PC hardware help[/b][/color] [quote][*][url=http://halo.bungie.org/][b][color=000066]Halo CNN 24/24 7/7[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=29475][b][color=000066]Little guide to the knowledge of the PC[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76031][b][color=000066]Ultimate Halo 2 guide (Outdated)[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://seventhcolumn.bungie.net/perlbin/blam.pl?file=/fanclub/10957][b][color=000066]The Forum Militia[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html][b][color=000066]Click here only if you realy are an [u]idiot[/u][/color][/b][/url] [/quote] [quote][b][color=olive]AOD-Coylter[/color] [url=http://www.aodarkness.2ya.com/][color=black]Army Of Darkness[/color][/url][/b][/quote][/quote]

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  • no no no no and no! DON'T ever buy an Alienware ALX they are too OVERPRICED. They are good pcs but with the money you use to buy that pc you can build one 10 times better for the same money and you will have like 1.000$ for cleaning your ass with them. I have 1.250$ and im building a pc that has almost the same power than the alx. This is no lie, BUILD YOUR OWN PC i bet your pocket will be happy to do so ( you can build a pc with the SAME things teh alx has inside for less money - i will tell you for a 1.000$ less- no lie BELIEVE ME) BTW: im building my gaming rig for 1.250$ and its beats the normal alienware amd based pcs and it cost almost the half of it!! The pc im getting is from newegg.com (the best pc parts retail seller) and its on my signature.

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  • how do you install a sound card?

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  • It's true about Dells having bottlenecks. I have looked at the dell ads and they put a super fast CPU in, but give it minimal memory and a crappy graphics card. I bought mine new for $1200 with a 2.0Ghz P4, 256MB ram, Ge-Force 4 MX 420 and a SB Live! Value sound card. I have since upgraded the memory to 1GB using PNY Brand, and the video card, a Ge-Force 5200 with 128 MB. The bottleneck comes from the fact that Dell put in a 4x AGP slot instead of an 8x, AGP slot, which was brand new technology that has just rolled out of the factory. Nevertheless, my Dell plays Halo quite beutifuly in 640x480, (I don't mind the jaggies) with specular turned off. Word of advice, don't buy dells to play games on. The hardware is only good for playing the year's games that you buy it in and then it's reduced to internet, e-mail and school. If you got the money, buy into an Alienware ALX system, the hardware will be able to play new games for at least 3 or 4 years down the road. I know I'm going to get one when I got the money.

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  • Its IS descent....Never said the opposite.....BUT its not good enought to hold its own agains an axp so there is no reason to recommand it over the axp. Thanx have a good day. BTW i am kinda disapointed that this is no longer a sticky. Can i have an explanation? Edit: Nevermind i saw the guide post...thx. [quote][color=black][b]The one and [/color][color=olive]only[/color][color=black] Captain Obvious Guru of PC hardware help[/b][/color] [quote][*][url=http://halo.bungie.org/][b][color=000066]Halo CNN 24/24 7/7[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=29475][b][color= 000066]Little guide to the knowledge of the PC[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76031][b][color= 000066]Ultimate Halo 2 guide[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://seventhcolumn.bungie.net/perlbin/blam.pl?file=/fanclub/1 0957][b][color=000066]The Forum Militia[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html][b][color=000066 ]Click here only if you realy are an [u]idiot[/u][/color][/b][/url] [/quote] [quote][b][color=olive]AOD-Coylter[/color] [url=http://www.aodarkness.2ya.com/][color=black]Army Of Darkness[/color][/url][/b][/quote][/quote] [Edited on 9/8/2004 4:04:13 PM]

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  • .....You couldnt think of a Descent argument so you say go away?..... Why dont you just admit it? Celeron D is descent....

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  • Go away... [quote][color=black][b]The one and [/color][color=olive]only[/color][color=black] Captain Obvious Guru of PC hardware help[/b][/color] [quote][*][url=http://halo.bungie.org/][b][color=000066]Halo CNN 24/24 7/7[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=29475][b][color=000066]Little guide to the knowledge of the PC[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76031][b][color=000066]Ultimate Halo 2 guide[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://seventhcolumn.bungie.net/perlbin/blam.pl?file=/fanclub/10957][b][color=000066]The Forum Militia[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html][b][color=000066]Click here only if you realy are an [u]idiot[/u][/color][/b][/url] [/quote] [quote][b][color=olive]AOD-Coylter[/color] [url=http://www.aodarkness.2ya.com/][color=black]Army Of Darkness[/color][/url][/b][/quote][/quote]

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  • If your overclocking than get http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=35-109-012&depa=1 If not a stock one isnt enough Than this is pretty good fan http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=35-103-139&depa=1 But if you dont overclock the stock fan should be enough. Also make sure you use Artic Silver 5 for your thermal compound.

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  • what would you guys recomend for keeping a P4 3.0ghz cool, besides using water coolin?

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  • I overclocked that celeron D ON STOCK COOLING, to 3.7, temps from 42-53 (not that bad). You said you overclocked your 2600 Mobile to 2.9,3.1 and all. you had to use some damn expensive cooling water cooling, 200 dollars + that is. Even without overclocking the Celeron D is preforming pretty well agnist the AXP. Its true the AXP is still better but that doesnt make the celeron D a POS. When overclocking dont even compare...when toms hardwar e used Niterogen cooling when there 2.8C P4 it overclocked 5.3 GHz and at that point it even outpreformded the FX-53 overclocked (nitrogen cooling)3.2GHz. And if that thing overclocked to 3.5 GHz it wouldnt even be stable. From Theinquirer " The latest Prescott based Celeron has double the level two cache and a faster front side bus, which makes it a very different beast. When X-bit labs compared the performance of the Prescott and Northwood Celerons, the difference was like night and day. (1). However, X-bit labs noted that the Athlon XP was still a bit better chip for games. Readers of Microsoft’s gaming PC page should be made aware that the Prescott Celeron is a suitable processor for gaming."

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  • Like i said....yea they do better than old celeron.....but still not good enough.....axp are still better for the price..... They benchmarked at 3.8ghz with another cooler. Stock one was not good enough. I can run my axp at 2.8ghz with my aero 7+ ....dont stay on for more than 45sec. xpm are very good overclocker and possibly the best chip on earth (speed wise) Take for exemple the xp-m 2600+ (110$) With stock cooler it hit 2.5 ghz easily (Above a p4 3.2ghz) With a good air cooling it hit 2.7 ghz easily (Equal to an fx-51) With water cooling it hit 2.9ghz (Over a fx-53) With promethia it hit 3.1ghz (well over a fx-53) With a good phase-change system working with r23 it can hit and run very stable at 3.5ghz (No chips on earth can beat that) Overclock anything to any speed you will never beat a axp working a 3.5ghz. BTW my friend built himself a phase-change systeme working with r23 , its able to keep a cpu die at -80C. He is getting his xp-m 2600+ in a few weeks so i will reports the results as soon as possible....We should be getting 3.5ghz and maybe more. [quote][color=black][b]The one and [/color][color=olive]only[/color][color=black] Captain Obvious Guru of PC hardware help[/b][/color] [quote][*][url=http://halo.bungie.org/][b][color=000066]Halo CNN 24/24 7/7[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=29475][b][color= 000066]Little guide to the knowledge of the PC[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76031][b][color= 000066]Ultimate Halo 2 guide[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://seventhcolumn.bungie.net/perlbin/blam.pl?file=/fanclub/1 0957][b][color=000066]The Forum Militia[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html][b][color=000066 ]Click here only if you realy are an [u]idiot[/u][/color][/b][/url] [/quote] [quote][b][color=olive]AOD-Coylter[/color] [url=http://www.aodarkness.2ya.com/][color=black]Army Of Darkness[/color][/url][/b][/quote][/quote] [Edited on 9/1/2004 10:38:26 PM]

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  • If it cant run any apps at 3.8 GHz than how did it do all that benchmarking? And iv overclocked AXP s too and overclock to 2.8 GHz is near impossible (need very good cooling) and it has to be the mobile version (overclock better) and theres no way its gonna be 100 percent stable at that speed. I overclocked my friends celeron D to 3.74 GHz and it outpreforms one of my systems easy (2.8c). You might think since it prescott it runs very hot, true it runs warm but not even close to as hot as the p4 Prescott, slightly hotter than P4c. You notice that even at stock speeds the celeron d holds its own agnist the AXP? [Edited on 9/1/2004 6:57:26 PM]

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  • Yea sure.... YES you can overclock it to 3.8ghz BUT you cant use this speed for your general use...ITS WAYYYY too hot....Yes it will boot.....but it wont run anything because of overheating....Hell those cpu often overheat at stock speed. I can also overclock my xp to 2.8ghz (wich is helllla faster than your celeron overclocked to whatever you want....but i will not be able to run any application without overheating.... OH i found this.... [quote] However, during our overclocking experiments it turned out that the standard cooler shipped with Celeron D is too weak to ensure sufficient cooling for our testing participants. During work both overclocked Celeron processors got overheated real quick, which resulted in system instability. Therefore, if you are planning to per4form some Celeron D overclocking make sure that you have a good cooler at hand. During our tests we used one of the best air cooling solutions from Zalman – CNPS7000A-Cu.[/quote] Yea with this cooler i can get 2.7ghz with a 2500xp-m.....Thats faster than a p4 3.2ghz beleive it or not. OHHH just found this also.... [quote]However, I would like to point out that the performance gain obtained by the new Celeron D processors is unfortunately too low for them to compete with the corresponding AMD Athlon XP solutions on equal terms. AMD processors selling at the same price are still faster, although not all the time and not that much faster now.[/quote] See....for the same price you get a better axp..... [quote][color=black][b]The one and [/color][color=olive]only[/color][color=black] Captain Obvious Guru of PC hardware help[/b][/color] [quote][*][url=http://halo.bungie.org/][b][color=000066]Halo CNN 24/24 7/7[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=29475][b][color= 000066]Little guide to the knowledge of the PC[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76031][b][color= 000066]Ultimate Halo 2 guide[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://seventhcolumn.bungie.net/perlbin/blam.pl?file=/fanclub/1 0957][b][color=000066]The Forum Militia[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html][b][color=000066 ]Click here only if you realy are an [u]idiot[/u][/color][/b][/url] [/quote] [quote][b][color=olive]AOD-Coylter[/color] [url=http://www.aodarkness.2ya.com/][color=black]Army Of Darkness[/color][/url][/b][/quote][/quote] [Edited on 9/1/2004 6:29:32 PM]

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  • Hi coylter. Well i will give you some links, http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/celeron-d.html checkout hte overclock one in there (http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/celeron-d_7.html) and also look at the benchmarks, you are under estimating the celeron D greatly, it is keeping up with the Athlon XP easy and in 3dmark 2003 the celeron 2.8 D out preforms the pr 2.4c and the athlon 3200+. Looking at the overclocking section its clear they overclock very well. (far better than Athlon Xp) Im not an Anti AMD guy, im just saying the celeron D is much much better tha you guys think. Intel should have named it completly differnt than celeron so people wont mistake it for the old northwood crap.

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  • noooo the ti is way better [quote][color=black][b]The one and [/color][color=olive]only[/color][color=black] Captain Obvious Guru of PC hardware help[/b][/color] [quote][*][url=http://halo.bungie.org/][b][color=000066]Halo CNN 24/24 7/7[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=29475][b][color=000066]Little guide to the knowledge of the PC[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76031][b][color=000066]Ultimate Halo 2 guide[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://seventhcolumn.bungie.net/perlbin/blam.pl?file=/fanclub/10957][b][color=000066]The Forum Militia[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html][b][color=000066]Click here only if you realy are an [u]idiot[/u][/color][/b][/url] [/quote] [quote][b][color=olive]AOD-Coylter[/color] [url=http://www.aodarkness.2ya.com/][color=black]Army Of Darkness[/color][/url][/b][/quote][/quote]

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  • i was wondering if an ati radeon 9600 se 128mb was better than an nvidia geforce4 ti4600 128mb

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  • No it dont overclock to 3.9 on air. AXP are still better. Sry for the 5500, changes have been made. [quote][color=black][b]The one and [/color][color=olive]only[/color][color=black] Captain Obvious Guru of PC hardware help[/b][/color] [quote][*][url=http://halo.bungie.org/][b][color=000066]Halo CNN 24/24 7/7[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=29475][b][color=000066]Little guide to the knowledge of the PC[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76031][b][color=000066]Ultimate Halo 2 guide[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://seventhcolumn.bungie.net/perlbin/blam.pl?file=/fanclub/10957][b][color=000066]The Forum Militia[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html][b][color=000066]Click here only if you realy are an [u]idiot[/u][/color][/b][/url] [/quote] [quote][b][color=olive]AOD-Coylter[/color] [url=http://www.aodarkness.2ya.com/][color=black]Army Of Darkness[/color][/url][/b][/quote][/quote]

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  • Hi, im new to the forum...sup? Anyway, you know how you said that the celerons are a POS? Yes they are, but you forget the the prescott version of them are actaully pretty nice, for a price of only 80 bucks, you could buy a 2.53 GHZ Celeron D (prescott) which overclock to 3.9 on air! (out preforms 3.2GHZ P4 e. So the Celeron D are desent for gaming, and a big improvement from the northwood ones. (1.8GHZ celeron D out preforms a 2.6 GHZ normal celeron) And also how you said the FX 5500 is slower than the 5200, how could i be slower than the 5200 when there the exact samething except the 5500 is 128 bit (unlock most 5200, which are 64 bit)and is clocked 20 MHZ more? And also theres no such thing as a 5500 Ultra as far as i know.

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  • The 512k version is faster. [quote][color=black][b]The one and [/color][color=olive]only[/color][color=black] Captain Obvious Guru of PC hardware help[/b][/color] [quote][*][url=http://halo.bungie.org/][b][color=000066]Halo CNN 24/24 7/7[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=29475][b][color=000066]Little guide to the knowledge of the PC[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.bungie.net/Forums/posts.aspx?postID=76031][b][color=000066]Ultimate Halo 2 guide[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://seventhcolumn.bungie.net/perlbin/blam.pl?file=/fanclub/10957][b][color=000066]The Forum Militia[/color][/b][/url] [*][url=http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/you.html][b][color=000066]Click here only if you realy are an [u]idiot[/u][/color][/b][/url] [/quote] [quote][b][color=olive]AOD-Coylter[/color] [url=http://www.aodarkness.2ya.com/][color=black]Army Of Darkness[/color][/url][/b][/quote][/quote]

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  • Its an athlon 64 3400 with newcastle core 512k L2 cache. BTW why do the amd 64 with 512k work at higher spedds than the ones with 1m L2 cache? is 512k bettter than 1m chache? ( i know 512k is almost the half of one mb) what is the difference in perfomrance between those two? [Edited on 8/27/2004 7:46:16 AM]

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] GhOsT_89 What is overclocking and how do i overclock my graphics card, my cpu, and the rest of the stuff?[/quote] To Overclock the graphics card, download [url=http://www.techpowerup.com/atitool/]ATi Tool[/url] and run the "Find max core" and "Find max mem" functions after setting it to stop scanning for mex clock after XXXXsec without artifacts (in the Artifact scanning, in the settings part) To overclock your CPU, go into the bios when booting up the PC and inrease either the FSB, or the multiplier.... The best yield will come from increasing the FSB, but it depends how fast your memory is. BE VERY CAREFUL WHEN OVERCLOCKING THE CPU, I'M NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR IT'S DEATH IF IT BREAKS WHEN OVERCLOCKING. PS. What processor is it?

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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Flaming Ninjas I'm getting an AMD 64 proccessor. I dont know wether to sped the extra money and go for the 3400 or go with the 2800 and use the rest for other stuff[/quote] Get the 3500, it's socket 939 which is the new AMD socket and the motherboard will last you a lot longer. [

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  • [quote] Powercolor are realy cheap made...the fan on mine died after 2 month, 2 time (i rma it the first time) [/quote] So should i get the 9800 pro 128mb built-by-ati?

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