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10/7/2009 11:20:07 AM
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ODST's Vs Spartans
I've been playing Halo Wars over the year with Halo 3 and I just came up with an idea of who is the better soldier.
ODST (Orbital Drop Shock Troopers) or the Spartans?
Fancy a fight together to see which is the UNSC's best soldiers.
[Edited on 10.07.2009 3:31 AM PDT]
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Over 9000 people came with this idea earlier... ;)
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but still not that bad of an idea but if they really did do that id be kinda odd.
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But still. Spartans > ODST's. Spartans have WAY more combat training, WAY better equipment, Shields, Higher stamina, more melee power. Everything is better on them, thats why they're advanced infantry...
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And ODST's are just plain awesome. Spartans can be better all they want, but that doesn't stop ODST's from being more awesome.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BATTLE DAWN I've been playing Halo Wars over the years with Halo 3 and I just came up with an idea of who is the better soldier. ODST (Orbital Drop Shock Troopers) or the Spartans? Fancy a fight together to see which is the UNSC's best soldiers. [/quote] Halo Wars came out this year didn't it? How have you been playing it 'over the years'? You didn't come up with an idea of who is better, well, at least not that you stated, you posed the question to the community. Spartans would obviously win, for the reasons the guy above me stated.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ACAce23 And ODST's are just plain awesome. Spartans can be better all they want, but that doesn't stop ODST's from being more awesome.[/quote] Ye, if its a Awesomeness contest, ODST's win hands down. But here, they loose hard.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ZundayXx But still. Spartans > ODST's. Spartans have WAY more combat training, WAY better equipment, Shields, Higher stamina, more melee power. Everything is better on them, thats why they're advanced infantry...[/quote] ODSTs are regular Marine infantry that request to be put into the ODST training program. They already have actual combat experience under their belts before they even begin their ODST training. Honestly they have about the same amount of training. Spartans are no more skilled than an ODST. The armor they wear however gives them a huge advantage over an ODST. With out the armor they are no better soldiers than the rest of humanity. But to prevent hard feelings about my opinion I give you this: [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3jFTzhdZF4&feature=channel]Link[/url]
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If a Spartan wanted to, it really could rip limbs off an ODST. They are genetically enhanced.
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Spartans. Cos we all know John-117 kicked 37 different kinds of shi* out of the ODST's from the books. LOL
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ACAce23 And ODST's are just plain awesome. Spartans can be better all they want, but that doesn't stop ODST's from being more awesome.[/quote] ODST's aren't that cool. Better than the marines, but they are in no way "more awesome" than Spartans under any conditions. Unless you have a certain instance in mind in which they show an impressive array of awesomeness?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] VautlingFrog Honestly they have about the same amount of training. Spartans are no more skilled than an ODST. The armor they wear however gives them a huge advantage over an ODST. With out the armor they are no better soldiers than the rest of humanity. [/quote] If I'm not mistaken, Spartan II candidate training lasted about 11 years. I'm pretty sure ODST training isn't 11 years long.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] VautlingFrog Honestly they have about the same amount of training. Spartans are no more skilled than an ODST. The armor they wear however gives them a huge advantage over an ODST. With out the armor they are no better soldiers than the rest of humanity. [/quote] Do Marines start their training at the age of 6?? No. Do Spartans start their training at the age of 6?? Yes. Probably the only living marine out theyre that has more combat experience then a Spartan is Johnson, but i don't see a giant army of Johnsons hopping arround xD
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xx GazzRion 33 If a Spartan wanted to, it really could rip limbs off an ODST. They are genetically enhanced.[/quote] Where to begin...lets see. For starters they are not genetically enhanced. They are selected for a spesific genetic marker. Secondly that marker could be anything. Millions of humans have the possability of having it. They arent so special. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] AFG MO Spartans. Cos we all know John-117 kicked 37 different kinds of shi* out of the ODST's from the books. LOL[/quote] 1: The first fight was orders. Those ODSTs were orderd to pick a fight with him with out knowing who he was, what he was or why he was even on the vessel in the first place. Lack of knowledge lead to poor judgement. Thus a loss. 2: Second fight was against the new Mark V armor. That armor gives any soldier a huge advantage over their opponents. Not an equal fight.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] VautlingFrog [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ZundayXx But still. Spartans > ODST's. Spartans have WAY more combat training, WAY better equipment, Shields, Higher stamina, more melee power. Everything is better on them, thats why they're advanced infantry...[/quote] ODSTs are regular Marine infantry that request to be put into the ODST training program. They already have actual combat experience under their belts before they even begin their ODST training. Honestly they have about the same amount of training. Spartans are no more skilled than an ODST. The armor they wear however gives them a huge advantage over an ODST. With out the armor they are no better soldiers than the rest of humanity. But to prevent hard feelings about my opinion I give you this: [url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3jFTzhdZF4&feature=channel]Link[/url][/quote] As a previous poster mentioned, the Spartans were beating up ODST's when they were kids...without armor. And they were being trained at the age of 6. Sure they didn't volunteer, but that means they had it harder, in my opinion.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] MetalNinja [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ACAce23 And ODST's are just plain awesome. Spartans can be better all they want, but that doesn't stop ODST's from being more awesome.[/quote] ODST's aren't that cool. Better than the marines, but they are in no way "more awesome" than Spartans under any conditions. Unless you have a certain instance in mind in which they show an impressive array of awesomeness?[/quote] When was the last time you heard any dialogue during combat from a SPARTAN? Their armour also looks cooler, their helmets have that crazy visor thingy that is undeniably awesome...for some reason. Bullet meet head, head, meet bullet.
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Hhhmmmm.........lets see.... SPARTANS: 1)Shields 2)Adavnce Combat Training 3)Tuff Armour 4)AI Compartment 5)Space Flight 6)Half human half Machine 7)Memories 8)Vehicle Controls 9)Knows about Halo's systems 10)Eats or goes to the toilets? 11)Never look at them right in the eyes! ODST / Marines: 1)Nightvision 2)Memories 3)Knows about Halo's sub systems 4)Vehicle controls 5)Combat Training 6)Human 7)Eats and goes to the toilets 8)Smart or clumsy? 9)Stay on track 10)Swear alot 11)Get a black eye by stairing at them :) anything else? [Edited on 10.07.2009 3:48 AM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Acres 057 If I'm not mistaken, Spartan II candidate training lasted about 11 years. I'm pretty sure ODST training isn't 11 years long.[/quote] Length of training isnt an issue. What you have discounted is that ODSTs go through Standard Marine training [b][u]and[/u][/b] ODST training. Two completely seperate programs with different levels of intensity. Not to mention the actual combat experience they all have before even going through that second round of training. That gives them a huge edge on the Spartans. [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ZundayXx Do Marines start their training at the age of 6?? No. Do Spartans start their training at the age of 6?? Yes. Probably the only living marine out theyre that has more combat experience then a Spartan is Johnson, but i don't see a giant army of Johnsons hopping arround xD[/quote] Do they need to start at age 6? No they most certainly dont. The Spartan training program is no more intense than a standard Marines training program. Just drawn out longer. It builds a fight reflex into their minds but that can be accomplished over a period of months not years. The only reason their training program went on as long as it did was due to the length of development the augmentations required as well as developing their armor suits. That takes the majority of the time. They were combat ready in a year or less in reality. Same as any Marine.
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personally, i like odsts better, but if u read the fall of reach, then u'd know that john (MC) killed 4 odsts wthout his armor, and john hadn't even finish his training. So the suit still would give them a huge advantage, but spartans are WAY stronger.
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Can we also assume that the Marines shown in the games would not be representative of those if it were real. Because there is no way know a soldier would be as stupid as the AI makes them out to be. Think Landfall.
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Vaulting, those are very good Statements. But i'm not really understanding your cause.
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HAV U GUYZ FORGOTTEN THE CHIEF thats sad =[ hes rly awesome and spartans beat ODSTS anyday in anything. im not saying ODSTs arnt cool, im just saying spartans are C00LER =]
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Actually they are genetically enhanced. But to perform those enhancements, the spartans to be must carry a special gene. Get your facts right.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ZundayXx Vaulting, those are very good Statements. But i'm not really understanding your cause.[/quote] Regular Marines and ODSTs held the line for 27 years on the ground in every combat action against the Covenant. Even in Halo CE's timeline ODSTs and Marines set up an actual base on the ring and successfully excecuted an excape plan of stealing a [i]CCS[/i]-class Battle Crusier and took off from the ring. Only an ODST who understood what the Flood was about changed their survival. She took out the drive lines of that vessel and forced it to crash back onto the ring, blowing up in the process. And yes those Marines and ODSTs survived several attacks from the Flood and managed to capture one alive. More than what Spartan-117 did. Point being they did the work during the war. Spartans played a very small part in it. More or less dropping in a nuke in a good spot then running away. Either that or helping evac civilians from a planet under siege. Thats under the cover of the Marines and ODSTs. They did more for the war that the Spartans did up to Halo CE. And then it was only one single Spartan who managed to save the galaxy (once on his own and another time with the help of the Flood/Marines/ODSTs/Elites/Arbiter). And even then he nearly was turned into a Flood himself during those events. If it werent for Cortana there wouldnt be a Spartan-117 after Halo CE.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Xx GazzRion 33 Actually they are genetically enhanced. But to perform those enhancements, the spartans to be must carry a special gene. Get your facts right.[/quote] Get your facts straight. There was absolutely no genetic manipulation in the Spartan-II programs augmentations. Not a single sign of it. In the Spartan-III program there was some illegal genetic manipulation to their augmentations but that is a different story. Please read about the augmentations first before posting about them.
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I wonder how the Marines become Rebels in halo Wars? They have the same troops as ours! ODST vs ODST and Spartans ok that very Odd!
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TO VAULTING FROG Yes, however having known that after genetical augmentations performed on SpartanIIs at the age of 16, only half of all SpartanIIs survived. Intense training is not what caused half of all potential spartans to be severely physically disabled or dead. At the age of 16, after years of intense training, all Spartan IIs were put under legaly authorised genetical augmentation procedures. This accounts for their great height and strength. You've heard of Dr. Catherine Hansely, haven't you? She was the brainchild of the whole Spartan programme and the use of genetical augmentations. Spartan Is were the ones that did not have any genetical alterations made. [Edited on 10.07.2009 3:58 AM PDT]
