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9/29/2009 7:25:49 AM
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Little did you know, you all just played through an epic poem, hah!

First off, I'd like to say thank you to Bungie for making an incredible game yet again! And I'd also like to say that Dante's Divine Comedy is one of my favorite pieces of classic literature. More of this in time. [b]As a note, I am neither for or against any religion mentioned in this post, it is purely from the standpoint of literature. I am discussing a novel, not religion.[/b] ----SPOILER WARNING----- If you haven't beaten the game yet, what are you doing cruising the forums? Go play! So there was this little novel written a while ago, by this one guy named Dante. It was a political satire, meant to make examples of current members of society and the Church at the time, but it's main influence is that of the views of Hell, Purgatory, and Heaven. And what does all this have to do with ODST, I can hear you all asking. Well, more than you think. I haven't analyzed the entire game for references, this is mostly just dealing with the Rookie's story. ---- The Rookie has crash landed into a building, has been knocked unconscious, and has awoken later to find himself alone in the city. The city is now quite literally Hell on Earth. But the Rookie is not truly alone. He has a guide through this hell, the SuperIntendent. Through the audio logs in the campaign, we come to find that the name of the SI is actually VERGIL. And you may have noticed that audio logs are all labeled "# Circle," all the way up to 9. Interesting. [quote]In the Divine Comedy, specifically the Inferno, Dante is guided through Hell by the Roman poet, Virgil. Hell consists of nine circles, each more horrible and punishing than the last. The circles of Hell spiral down into the Earth, to it's very core.[/quote] After you find out the fate of your squad, the Rookie heads underground to locate DARE. You find yourself on the 8th level of VERGIL's data center. You need to locate Dare, who is on the 9th level. Fancy that. After much fighting, you find yourself on the 9th level, which happens to be almost completely frozen... [quote]The 9th circle of Hell, in the Inferno, is actually cold. Ice cold. The punishment here is for that of Treason. The higher the crime, the more encased in ice you shall be. The very center of the 9th circle is where Satan himself resides, encased in ice up to his waist, beating his wings, whose gusts of air cause the 9th circle to be encased in ice. Satan himself has three faces, and each is chewing on the three (at the time) greatest betrayers. Their punishment for betraying their lords and benefactors is to be eternally gnawed on by Satan himself.[/quote] The Rookie and DARE finally reach VERGIL's core, and there they find the source of this whole fiasco. The rogue Engineer. He has chosen to betray his benefactors, his lords, the entire whole of the Covenant itself. And they are literally coming to chew him to pieces. ---- There you have it folks. My analysis, and hypothesis, and all other sorts of -sis. I've only played through campaign once, but there may be even further references to the Divine Comedy. There are 9 levels of purgatory before one reaches Paradise(Heaven). If someone could confirm how many sections of freeway there are in the final level, we may have our answer. The escape at the end of the game could very well be the escape from Purgatory. If anyone else has more references to levels of Hell, or to any of the other campaign character's stories, please let me know, I'd be interested to see how far they have taken this. For further reference, hit up Wikipedia, it's pretty extensive. [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divine_comedy[/url] Thanks so much to whoever stuck around and dealt with my massive post. Happy Haloing to you all. tl;dr: Go read a book =P -----ADDITIONAL FINDINGS----- [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Overlord Jebus Maybe each of the 9 circles of audio logs each represent their circle? I can already think of gluttony and lust off the top of my head.[/quote] Thanks for bringing this up, we need to just double check to make sure that each "Circle" of audio logs corresponds to the sin of that particular circle of Hell, which I already know it does. --- [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Brent G [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Danves [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Brent G OP, you mentioned that Satan has 3 heads that chew on the 3 greatest betrayers? And that the brutes were coming to "chew" on Vergil? How appropriate that there were 3 of them knocking on his door.[/quote] Kickass! How sure are you? I've only played the campaign through once.[/quote] I'm pretty much 100% sure. There's two at the doorway trying taunting Vergil, and a Chieftain behind them.[/quote] Yet another connection, possibly. If anyone can confirm this for sure, that would be amazing. The pieces seem to be falling into place =) [Edited on 09.29.2009 1:26 AM PDT]
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  • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] WTFWHERESURHEAD you know... bungie probably didnt even intend it to be this way its probably a random happening that you just found to match up with the game... for some reason each halo game has to have some religious crap evolving around it... then again... i did hear mickey (in kizingo blvd.) when i got a head shot on a grunt "praise jah! jah is short for jehovah, jehovah = jehovahs witnesses... oh god this game is fricken religious... D=[/quote] To think that Bungie didn't intend for this game to be a parallell of Dante's Divine Comedy is just flawed, sir. Bungie has a long history of well thought out, obscure references and underlying themes in their games, even before the Halo series. Perhaps you just never dug deep enough to notice it in the Halo series before now. That said, when Mickey says "Praise Jah!", he is most likely not using a shortened version of Jehovah, but referencing Haile Selassie I, Emperor of Ethiopia, who the Rastafari consider to be the earthly incarnate of God. That is the most common usage nowadays, so I'd bank that they were making a reference to that. Personally I like the idea of Mickey being a Rastafari. [Edited on 05.08.2010 9:11 PM PDT]

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    • amazing

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    • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Vengeful Donkey I played a book? GET IT OFF ME!!![/quote] You played a POEM.

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    • Thats what she said!

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    • I think the three faces that chew on the heretics are the three prophets.

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    • Excellent research on this allegory. Some other more visual evidence to this claim is the graffiti on the walls. "Hell on Earth," and "Abandon all hope" and such. Many game and movie writers use allegory for story idea. For instance O' Brother Where Art Thou is the Odyssey, and The Lion King is actually Hamlet. You dudes probably knew that, but its food for thought.

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    • I applaude you for this. Very nice analysis.

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    • You could compare this to a lot of poems with the way you put it. Still, nice work.

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    • Oh TEH NOES! I AM ASPLODE

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    • this is exactly the type of stuff i love bungie for

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    • so bungie has to jack old books to make a game for millions

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    • doubts

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    • A little loose.........could be heavy coincidence.

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    • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Krisman2007 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Go Vader [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Krisman2007 Circle 1 (Limbo) Here reside the unbaptized and the virtuous pagans, who, though not sinful, did not accept Christ. They are not punished in an active sense, but rather grieve only their separation from God, without hope of reconciliation. This part of the poem is probably the worst for me. [/quote] So the rest of the poem is all butterflies and rainbows in comparison to that?[/quote] Actually, yes. Indians live in the hottest climate ever, added to the fact we're hairy. So being burnt in hell doesn't seem so bad.[/quote] You are aware of the fact that burning there isn't just body, but soul? And, by the way, what about the 9th? Freezing...

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    • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Krisman2007 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Go Vader [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Krisman2007 Circle 1 (Limbo) Here reside the unbaptized and the virtuous pagans, who, though not sinful, did not accept Christ. They are not punished in an active sense, but rather grieve only their separation from God, without hope of reconciliation. This part of the poem is probably the worst for me. [/quote] So the rest of the poem is all butterflies and rainbows in comparison to that?[/quote] Actually, yes. Indians live in the hottest climate ever, added to the fact we're hairy. So being burnt in hell doesn't seem so bad.[/quote] I'm sorry, but being burnt alive and being in a hot climate is very, VERY different.

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    • Thats a pretty accurate point. I can't even begin to understand how much actual thought that took to realize that. I think that you've been approved by Bungie if this thread is still alive and on the right side of the screen. Good Find, Good Find! P.S: Maybe the dead Elites represent those who defied god(covenant)and were sentenced to hell(killed). Which happens to be where you are hence the name Hell jumpers. Bungie said Hell so many times when it came to this game and we wern't even getting it. [Edited on 04.27.2010 7:19 PM PDT]

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    • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Skullnight43 ok i just played the last mission and there are a good deal more than nine there's actually 13. [/quote] still a bad number 13

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    • I'm playing ODST right now, too. Very nice work, TC. ODST > Dante's Inferno

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    • hu, that is quite interesting. I respect the game more for discovering the connection between the references now. Thanks for posting this. It's funny, I thought a lot of the names of things seemed to be referencing something but I just didn't piece it together until now.

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    • wow!!!!!

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    • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Go Vader [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Krisman2007 Circle 1 (Limbo) Here reside the unbaptized and the virtuous pagans, who, though not sinful, did not accept Christ. They are not punished in an active sense, but rather grieve only their separation from God, without hope of reconciliation. This part of the poem is probably the worst for me. [/quote] So the rest of the poem is all butterflies and rainbows in comparison to that?[/quote] Actually, yes. Indians live in the hottest climate ever, added to the fact we're hairy. So being burnt in hell doesn't seem so bad.

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    • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Krisman2007 Circle 1 (Limbo) Here reside the unbaptized and the virtuous pagans, who, though not sinful, did not accept Christ. They are not punished in an active sense, but rather grieve only their separation from God, without hope of reconciliation. This part of the poem is probably the worst for me. [/quote] So the rest of the poem is all butterflies and rainbows in comparison to that?

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    • Circle 1 (Limbo) Here reside the unbaptized and the virtuous pagans, who, though not sinful, did not accept Christ. They are not punished in an active sense, but rather grieve only their separation from God, without hope of reconciliation. This part of the poem is probably the worst for me.

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    • Yeah, the whole Vergil (Virgil) and how the final log ended in a frozen abyss tipped me off to the Inferno. But props to you for posting this!

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    • [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SPARTAN 307 Satans three heads gnawing on each other reminds me of trying to bite your own ear. Just, awkward. But good reference, especially the 9 circles of hell. Explains the labeling of the Audio Logs.[/quote] my thoughts exactly, thank you for the great read. I love ODST, its never gotten the credit it deserves.

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    • Hmm... Dante's Inferno in FPS form. Awesome.

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