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Edited by SirSweebs: 10/22/2015 1:47:30 PM
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Is Sunsinger a support class? (Go to poll)

My friend and I got in an argument about whether or not the warlock has a support subclass. I said the sunsinger is a great support class, because it saves the team from a wipe. Help me prove him wrong please

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  • In my opinion it's not, because it doesn't really have any support capabilities or perks. I see where u r coming from with the self Rez, but really I think when you use self Rez, like in crucible, the only thing ur doing is getting armor for yourself, and get killing powers.

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    • Song of flame, orbs, self res, area control, it's king of a half support half attack class.

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    • No it's not

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    • It definitely has potential but people dont utilize it.

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    • I remember in the old nightfalls, my self res warlock saved so many return to orbit occasions. As for kings fall, I still think sunsinger is best subclass :) Praise the sun.

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    • Edited by Hawpy: 10/22/2015 3:28:44 PM
      It's supposed to be a support class, but doesn't do a very good job of it - coming from someone that has been a Sunsinger since unlock. Radiant Skin is completely worthless for support and Song of Flame only helps when the fireteam is in a compact space, but the grenade and melee boost doesn't actually help when Raids force the team together as guns do a much better job. This leaves Fireborn, which receives criticism to no end for being selfish when in reality, it's the best option. Solar Grenades are good for area denial but do little damage, Firebolt Grenades have no place in PvE whatsoever and Fuison Grenades are the exact opposite of Solar, doing lots of damage but to few enemies. Brimstone and Solar Wind are two of the most useless upgrades in the game across any subclass, and Flame Shield only benefits the user. Sunburst is a reasonably good support perk, but doesn't trigger reliably like Force Barrier does, neither does it even come close to making as many orbs. I don't see a reason why I need to justify the use of Gift of the Sun but from a support perspective, it doesn't do all that much to help unless your team has prolonged periods of inactivity for which a grenade with an effective 0 Discipline bonus can charge. Edit: Redeeming feature - Radiance is the Super that, with a bit of luck, can generate by far the most orbs in a single use Wearing Claws of Ahamkara with decent enough Strength, one Radiance can generate 14 Orbs (minimum, still not entirely sure on the Orb cap without extra perks, and I'm sure I've seen a few Fireborn uses drop an orb immediately)

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      • A clutch self-res by a teammate got me my Black Spindle, so I agree it's a good support class.

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      • Edited by eat the rich: 10/22/2015 3:44:00 PM
        It has the potential to be a support class but people who use it use it only for self res. They make little to no orbs, and most of the time they self res is because they died for a stupid reason rather than keeping the team from wiping. I see sunsingers die significantly more than other subclasses. If they actually stayed alive and used their super along with song of flame this would be a different story.

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        • Well I can be if you spec it right but, most guardians use it as a self class, for example in strikes I'll see I have and Sunsinger on my team and they will not use their supers unless they die when they could be creating so many orbs for the team its a real damn shame

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        • It is

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        • More like a selfish class.

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          • If you use song of flame it is. Using self rez stops you from using your super unless you die.

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          • It is. Anyone who uses it otherwise and wastes their self res (or doesn't use self res at all) is a selfish twat.

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            • Sunsinger melee can spawn an orb and song of flame can decrease teammate cooldowns, and self res can help you get a clutch revive for your team. It's a support class.

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            • Yes sunsinger is support but the problem is mostly the teams intelligence or understand of sunsinger and its perk. Radiance is the only(non stationary super that will generate orbs from weapon use).You can use anything down to a sword,ss,primary and sniper and make orbs on the move without getting in harms way..Also your melee and gernades are stronger and spammable.This is without a perk? 1.Fireborn Good to stop wipes but alot of locks would just hold onto the super all day(it's a perk you can still use radiance ). 2.song of flame(Think your own personal mayhem generator ,with hopf that's close to 7 sec regen compared to 30 sec if 100% in stat) A)The problem is that people are too stupid to use it when it's up.A large amount of people won't use their abilities when this is up.People have done videos on how op song of flame is.Your team can clear a room with gernade spam is secs +super regen without orbs. I had a teammate talking about how he was glitch because his super and abilities keep changing too fast....smh. 3.Radiant skin Combine this with overshield =tank everything without risk of death.Easy to revive under pressure.

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              • I agree, I only run sunsinger on raids or nightfalls

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              • I personally don't run self rez. I run the reduced cooldowns for teammates, making it a support class. Plus orb generation.

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              • Sun singer is actually the support class for Warlocks. It technically does 0 damage. You just have to use it to your ability's advantage to deal damage.

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                • Yes it is. I use radiance to create orbs. Not always when I'm dead. We were killin the sisters and we died from her AOE as we killed her. We were wiping. But I used self-res. And we lived and won. Check the perks of sunsigners. And not how people use it.

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                • I hate people who always say "it's ok guys, I have a self res" Just because you can self res doesn't make it ok. You die on a platform at oryx? Wipe. I see this shit too often.

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                  • it is but its not up to scratch with the nightstalker and the defender

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                    • No it's selfish. Hey lemme die to self res bc I'm not careful in pve. Oh you want a revive nope just wait the 30 seconds

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                      • I've played as a Sunsinger since I first hit level 15 Day One, so I'm fairly confident I know everything about the subclass. The Sunsinger skill tree technically just has one perk that truly is supportive and one that could be argued so. Overall, I would not say that it is. I would say that they are often times utilizing perks to benefit themselves. If we were to follow the argument that simply because a subclass has a couple abilities that could help the team in general, then we could say that nearly every other subclass in the game is a support class. Bladedancers with Invisibility can stealth fully revive allies that aren't in the best of places. Voidwalkers can offer tremendous area denial with fast charging grenades and super. Strikers have a flash grenade that stuns all enemies affected for a rather decent amount of time. Stormcallers can boost nearby allies' Agility stat when their health falls under a certain threshold. Sunbreakers have Melting Point debuff which decreases the armor stat of whatever is set ablaze by Combustion.

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                        • Yes, but not because of self res. Song of flame can be used to buff your teammates and solar flares do a pretty good job at zoning off areas for them. Probably my favorite class and I never use self res. [spoiler]songoflamemasterrace[/spoiler]

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                          • The warlock as a class is mostly support, however they all are versitial enough to do any job really.

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                          • It's a good subclass, I use it as a pvp main and pve main.a when used correctly it can wipe everything including bosses

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