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Guardians - are you with me? (Bungie/Activision - Enough is Enough)

Greetings, fellow guardians. I write today to call you to action. This situation with Bungie and Activision has gone on long enough, and I believe that as a community we need to act. That is why I am calling on each and every one of you who still has Destiny but no longer plays it to send it back to Bungie. Why? Well, first off, I believe that the situation Bungie has created is unique and therefore demands a unique response. Now, I could go on about everything from how this is not the game that we were led to believe it would be, right up to how Bungie's business practices seem to be utterly abominable. All of that would be true and relevant, but there is one singular reason for my own outrage - the game that was sold at launch has been eviscerated so drastically that it is now nothing more than a very expensive demo for the actual game. I don't know about you, but as it stands now, the only comparable games to my copy of Destiny that I have played and owned over the years, are ones that have broken in some way. While I don't believe that the industry as a whole is guilty of this kind of disdainful behaviour, I am starting to notice certain companies seeing what they can get away with. Whether it's Bioware and EA stupidly attempting to sell the endings of the Mass Effect trilogy as DLC, or Capcom locking content on their games' discs (effectively making it 'disc-locked content' as opposed to downloadable content), the insatiable desires for profits are getting completely out of control in some areas of the industry. Bungie and Activision's actions are just another step along that road. I've noticed that some of you are calling for people to boycott Bungie and Activision, and I agree. This was actually the first one of Bungie's games that I've bought and I don't really see how there will be another. Plus, from what I've seen many, many other people agree with you too and are taking the same steps. However, as I said before this situation is unique and demands a unique response - at least for this day and age. As you probably know, the idea I had is not original. Back in the 80s Atari had so many unsold copies of E.T. that they had to bury them in the desert, but they also had to bury copies that players had sent back to them. So while I agree that we need to boycott these two companies, I also believe that we need to hold them to account somehow and make an example out of them, so that the rest of the industry think twice before trying to pull the same stunt. My intention is not just to send the game back, but also a letter with it explaining why. In a way, Bungie has misbehaved in a similar way to a child - pushing the boundaries to see what it can get away with. And like a child, the punishment will only be learned if it understands the reason for it. You may not agree with me, and I look forward to your reasons why, but I do believe that this can help the situation. Hypothetically, if enough people sent in their abandoned and useless copies, Bungie would have no choice but to take notice and then take action that actually makes the game better, and even if you and I are no longer interested in playing it, the experience will improve for those that still do. Meanwhile, the rest of the industry gets a very clear message that selling a product to a customer and then stealing part of it back is [b]NOT[/b] okay - even if you can get away with it legally, you still may end up paying a hefty price. That would be the ideal, but if it ends up that I am one of the only ones that does this, well, I can't just sit here and do nothing. It's not enough for me sit behind a computer screen and just express an opinion when something like this happens - I need to do something about it. Even if I am alone in this action, that's fine by me. But I do hope you join us in this action. The more of us that do it, the greater the impact we will have. [b]Here's what we want you to do.[/b] First, get the word out to as many like-minded players as you can. We believe this can done in a number of ways, but one of the best will be to get in contact with Angry Joe, Jim Sterling, BDobbinsFTW and similar independent journalists from YouTube and tell them what we're planning to do. I have collated a few contact details you can use to make your voice heard: Angry Joe – angryjoe@angryjoeshow.com Jim Sterling – jim@thejimquisition.com (also - Jim Sterling, PO Box 5427, Brandon, MS 39047) BdobbinsFTW – dukedobbins@gmail.com Second, pop the game in an envelope (or a big box!) and send it back to Bungie (the address is: Bungie, 550 106th Avenue NE, Suite 207, Bellevue, WA 98004-5088) from 1st December 2015 onwards. You could even find a cheap, second-hand, vanilla copy of Destiny at your local game store and send that if you don't have it any more (and if you're willing to do that). If you want to write a letter to Bungie explaining why you sent the game back to them, we encourage you to do so. Plus, it's been suggested to us that Bungie might repackage your game and try and sell it again. Given everything that's happened, we wouldn't put it past them. One way for you to stop them from doing this is to snap the disc before you send it. You could see it as breaking your addiction. You could see it as a symbolic gesture seeing as they sold you a broken game in the first place, and then continued to break it some more. But it will also mean that they cannot possibly profit from what you have done, and that they will have absolutely no choice but to twiddle their thumbs and figure out what to do with so many broken copies of their broken game. If you do choose to write a letter, you can explain your reasons for sending the game back, but also how you want Destiny, Bungie and Activision to change. It's up to you what requests you want to make of Bungie, but keep in mind that one thing you could stress it to use language that both Bungie and Activision would understand. That is to say that if they do what you ask and incorporate sound business practices and manage Destiny properly, it will actually end up making more money for them than if they carry on the way they are going. It's a no-brainer. It has also been suggested that sending the broken discs to news outlets and consumer protection agencies could be another option. We can do this too, and it would make an even greater impact because Bungie and Activision would not be able to hide from the truth or put any type of spin on it. So, while the primary destination can be Bungie, there are a few options here. For example, you could send the broken disc in its case to Bungie with a letter, but also to take a photo of the disc, letter and envelope (to show Bungie's address) and send the photo to outlets/agencies via email/post, with the body of the email/letter consisting of the details you will set out in the letter to Bungie. You could always do the opposite – send the broken game to the outlet/agency and the photo to Bungie. Another great option would be to snap the disc in half, and mail half to Bungie with a note that the other half has been mailed to an outlet/agency as a form of protesting their increasingly anti-consumer business practices. Then you would mail the other half to that outlet/agency with a note explaining why you snapped the disc and where the other half of it went. That way, no matter what, the media and agencies know that Bungie is getting these broken disc halves in the mail - no matter how hard they will try to hide/deny it. I will provide you with the contact details of some gaming news outlets we could focus on: Eurogamer (seem to only have an email address. But Oli Welsh is the editor) – contact@eurogamer.net. Gamer Network (they own Eurogamer along with a few other game-related sites. Plus, they have a postal address) - Gamer Network, 1 Grand Parade, Brighton, BN2 9QB, UK. IGN (I managed to find an actual press contact for this one. Her name is Kiersten Slader and her direct email is k.slader@ign.com) - 625 2nd Street, 4th Floor, San Francisco, CA 94107. Phone: 1.415.696.5453. I was unable to find contact details for Kotaku, Gamespot, Giantbomb, etc. If we want to give them a heads up, we may need to get creative – they do have forums. But while posting on their forums about the stand, people also need to inform the media in general: newspapers, television, radio, game magazines and game selling websites – possibly even other developers. All are the main way that information is spread – to us and to everyone. If you feel that you have been disadvantaged or have something worthwhile to tell, consider contacting the media. They may choose to use a journalist to report your story to the rest of the community. If you still have the game but do not want to get rid of it, or if you do not have a hard copy of the game and would prefer not to purchase it, but you would still like to get involved, people have suggested some great ideas that you can execute with us on December 1st or after. You could: 1) Send Bungie a broken blank disc with your gamertag and the word 'Destiny' scrolled across the jagged edges. 2) Stop playing the game for the day. 3) Just write the letter and send that in. 4) Draw a comic of yourself destroying the disc and send that. 5) Call Bungie and Activision and tell them that you do not accept the changes they have made to the EULA statement. 6) Record yourself deleting the game and send the video to Bungie. As one of our number recently said 'be creative'! You can still take a stand. (For the full version of our plan and objectives, head to [b]https://www.change.org/p/bungie-activision-bungie-activision-guardians-are-you-with-me-bungie-activision-enough-is-enough[/b] or https://www.reddit.com/r/GuardiansOfDestiny/comments/3pckji/guardians_are_you_with_me_bungieactivision_enough/)

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  • Edited by KrazyM82: 10/22/2015 6:21:07 AM
    I approve this message... a [b][i]BOYCOTT OF BUNGIE AND ACTIVISION[/i][/b] is the best weapon against corporate greed and shady/unethical business practice. It's the best way to IMPROVE the gaming industry and keeping history from repeating itself. I also believe that pre-ordering is also fueling the downfall of the gaming industry. By giving money before hand we are saying to the producers and publishers...here's our money, make whatever you want. Everytime a preorder is made "they" learn that we don't care what quality product they make...even if it's a minimum viable product or beta. THIS HAS TO STOP! I will NEVER PRE-ORDER AGAIN! Thanks to bungie and activision. PERIOD! Unique response is planned and will be very interesting!

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  • [quote]Greetings, fellow guardians. I write today to call you to action. This situation with Bungie and Activision has gone on long enough, and I believe that as a community we need to act. That is why I am calling on each and every one of you who still has Destiny but no longer plays it to send it back to Bungie. Why? Well, first off, I believe that the situation Bungie has created is unique and therefore demands a unique response. Now, I could go on about everything from how this is not the game that we were led to believe it would be, right up to how Bungie's business practices seem to be utterly abominable. All of that would be true and relevant, but there is one singular reason for my own outrage - the game that was sold at launch has been eviscerated so drastically that it is now nothing more than a very expensive demo for the actual game. I don't know about you, but as it stands now, the only comparable games to my copy of Destiny that I have played and owned over the years, are ones that have broken in some way. While I don't believe that the industry as a whole is guilty of this kind of disdainful behaviour, I am starting to notice certain companies seeing what they can get away with. Whether it's Bioware and EA stupidly attempting to sell the endings of the Mass Effect trilogy as DLC, or Capcom locking content on their games' discs (effectively making it 'disc-locked content' as opposed to downloadable content), the insatiable desires for profits are getting completely out of control in some areas of the industry. Bungie and Activision's actions are just another step along that road. I've noticed that some of you are calling for people to boycott Bungie and Activision, and I agree. This was actually the first one of Bungie's games that I've bought and I don't really see how there will be another. Plus, from what I've seen many, many other people agree with you too and are taking the same steps. However, as I said before this situation is unique and demands a unique response - at least for this day and age. As you probably know, the idea I had is not original. Back in the 80s Atari had so many unsold copies of E.T. that they had to bury them in the desert, but they also had to bury copies that players had sent back to them. So while I agree that we need to boycott these two companies, I also believe that we need to hold them to account somehow and make an example out of them, so that the rest of the industry think twice before trying to pull the same stunt. My intention is not just to send the game back, but also a letter with it explaining why. In a way, Bungie has misbehaved in a similar way to a child - pushing the boundaries to see what it can get away with. And like a child, the punishment will only be learned if it understands the reason for it. You may not agree with me, and I look forward to your reasons why, but I do believe that this can help the situation. Hypothetically, if enough people sent in their abandoned and useless copies, Bungie would have no choice but to take notice and then take action that actually makes the game better, and even if you and I are no longer interested in playing it, the experience will improve for those that still do. Meanwhile, the rest of the industry gets a very clear message that selling a product to a customer and then stealing part of it back is [b][u]NOT[/u][/b] okay - even if you can get away with it legally, you still may end up paying a hefty price. That would be the ideal, but if it ends up that I am the only one that does this, well, I can't just sit here and do nothing. It's not enough for me sit behind a computer screen and just express an opinion when something like this happens - I need to do something about it. So if I am alone in my action, that's fine by me. But I do hope you join me in this action. The more of us that do it, the greater the impact we will have. So here's what I want you to do: get the word out to as many like-minded players as you can and then pop the game in an envelope and send it back to Bungie (the address is: Bungie, 550 106th Avenue NE, Suite 207, Bellevue, WA 98004-5088) on 1st December 2015. You could even find a cheap, second-hand, vanilla copy of Destiny at your local game store and send that if you don't have it any more (and if you're willing to do that). If you want to write a letter to Bungie explaining why you sent the game back to them, I encourage you to do so. Plus, it has already been suggested to me that Bungie might repackage your game and try and sell it again. Given everything that's happened, I wouldn't put it past them. One way for you to stop them from doing this is to snap the disc before you send it. You could see it as breaking your addiction. You could see it as a symbolic gesture seeing as they sold you a broken game in the first place, and then continued to break it some more. But it will also mean that they cannot possibly profit from what you have done, and that they will have absolutely no choice but to twiddle their thumbs and figure out what to do with so many broken copies of their broken game.[/quote] I am all for this .But I sold all four copys to game stop for 12 dollar's. Best return yet

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  • As epic as this would be, I think their are smarter paths. Such as buying one of the multiple new games coming out that will be better than destiny. Give another company your money instead of bungievision and wait until (if) they ever fix destiny to go back to it.

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    • Activision's stock price has tripled in the past year. They don't and won't care as long as the money comes rolling in from investors.

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    • Edited by TheKrackerJax: 10/16/2015 3:15:32 PM
      I honestly could care less what Bungie or Activision are doing, how much money they are making, how they hire or fire, or what legal battles they've won or lost or have pending. It boils down to this.....Am I willing to keep spending money on this product? I can't tell anyone how to answer because my opinion is likely different....but for me....the product is worth the money I've spent and I have fun playing the game.

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      • [quote]...the game that was sold at launch has been eviscerated so drastically that it is now nothing more than a [b][i]very expensive demo for the actual game[/i][/b].[/quote] Amen to that.

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      • Good luck to you. Luke will spin it like Destiny players were so happy they sent their games in to get autographs. To resell for Breast Cancer! Our community is so great! Just don't play the game anymore don't buy any content. Halo 5 is out soon thank god 343 took that over

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        • Edited by GhostD0gSamurai: 10/21/2015 4:41:41 PM
          [url=http://kotaku.com/the-messy-true-story-behind-the-making-of-destiny-1737556731]http://kotaku.com/the-messy-true-story-behind-the-making-of-destiny-1737556731[/url] ...but it's really not a surprise.

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        • This is actually pretty similar to Halo. We're the Elites, Bungievision are the Prophets and the fanboys are the Brutes.

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          • Edited by Vakris One: 10/20/2015 5:20:07 PM
            Just to bump and add (for any doubters out there) that if we continue to buy into greedy, shifty business models then we might as well deliver our beloved games industry as a whole to hell in a hand basket. Companies like Activision and Bungie will continue to screw us if we continue to buy into their bull crap. Case in point, another very popular game coming out soon is already busting out an eerily similar business practice of: [u]Lack of content + Inflated prices for [b]lack of [/b]quality = Screw you [the customer] give us money.[/u]: ↓ http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g8vR-I3ccCA We really have to put a stop to this guys and girls. There are many ways of protesting and boycotting this and getting our voices heard - chief among them is to simply not buy the offending game of the offending company. It is up to you, dear reader, to pick a method that suits you the best. But for the love of all that is holy and sacred I implore you do not become apathetic, do not become numb, to this worrying trend in the gaming industry. It isn't right, it never was and it never will be. If we don't fight to keep the games industry honest then we are dooming our favourite hobby.

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            • After fall out goodbye destiny

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