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Edited by Darkling971:
10/9/2015 12:56:14 AM
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For Everyone Saying the Sleeper is Underpowered
So the community has appeared to have a fairly negative reaction to the Sleeper. I won't deny that the quest was simplistic and easy at best, but the weapon itself really shines. Lets look at some numbers:
Black Spindle, which is considered one of the best single-target damage dealers, does ~76k per shot on Golgoroth. The Sleeper does ~155k per shot. The fire rate of the Sleeper is about 2/5 that of the Spindle (excluding reload). This is the equivalent of ~69k damage per 76k damage from spindle.
What this means is that the Sleeper rivals one of the BEST SINGLE TARGET WEAPONS IN THE GAME, albiet with a single reload. However, the sleeper is a lot more versatile, as it doesn't require 3 rapid precision shots to maintain dps.
TL:DR Sleeper is a pretty damn good weapon.
Edit: For those pointing out that the Sleeper has only 7 shots, this thread is comparing dps, not total damage. Various other factors come into play at that point.
Edit: Aaand my first thread ever is trending. Damn.
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Edited by Leeves: 10/10/2015 11:10:26 PMLess DPS, less total damage, less forgiving....I don't seem to be able to see what good points you're raising. I mean, that's a bar almost any heavy or special meets, legendary or exotic. It's a highly situational gun, I'm okay with that, so is spindle. Problem is, they both work in the same situations....it's like Bungie gave us a nail gun (spindle) and then gave us a hammer (sleeper) a few weeks later. I guess variety is nice, but....it could be better or at least serve a different function. For instance if bouncing projectiles track targets but precision damage lowered would make it really good against mobs of high health enemies (hallowed knights/wizards).
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Thank you for pointing out that it has less dps than the spindle, which is something everybody already knew
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Edited by xXxBlAcKbUrNxXx: 10/10/2015 11:02:44 PMTested http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bu2pqKcUKBI&sns=tw
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1 ReplyIt's good for ogre watch on oryx .. That's about it
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3 RepliesOh goodness. There's always a thread saying "think it's underpowered?" "UR USING I7 RONG!1!!1". How about, no? In fact it is underpowered for an exotic heavy.
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Sandwich simulater 2015
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Edited by JayTronicle: 10/10/2015 3:37:45 PMGo on you 'trender' you, this thread you get you hot gf
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Some guys on YouTube killed the warpriest with weapons of light and sleeper simulant in a minute.
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5 RepliesI didn't get all the warsats done the first day, then when I read all the whining about it, I almost decided it wasn't worth the time to finish it. But I finished it today, maxed it out, and have come to the conclusion that there are just a bunch of whiny ass bitches here. The gun is fine and well deserving of an exotic slot. Just because it doesn't take out bosses as fast as Gally (rip) and you actually have to aim doesn't mean it isn't a good gun.
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Yeah, the weapon itself is great, but the perks on it are useless...
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I'd prefer not reserve ammo, but other than that it's fine.
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2 RepliesIt's not about black spindle vs sleeper. Look at it this way. Eirene and even 1000 yard stare can almost do what a black spindle can do. What are you getting off, 1 more accurate shot per reload? It does a small amount of damage more than a legendary sniper can do. On the other hand, the sleeper does an insanely higher amount of damage than most heavy weapons can do. Look at your dps overall over all three weapons. You can do 100k damage with your sniper ammo (black spindle) and 50k with primary and 75k with heavy (these numbers are made up to show my point) or you can do 50k primary, 90k sniper. And 175k heavy (sleeper stimulant) you're getting more damage running a sleeper load out than a spindle load out.
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If anything it's overpowered
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Edited by Keel4real: 10/10/2015 9:47:47 AMIt's aight! I like my dark drinker for that exotic slot because the aoe spin is better on mobs. To each his/her own
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It, a Heavy...of course it should deal out more damage than a Special. Black Hammer is still the much better exotic option for Bossfights.
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Rate of fire and low ammo cap makes it a garbage weapon.
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5 RepliesSleeper is the stupidest weapon! Under powered, not worth the exotic slot. It's critical hit is that of the sniper rifle. Not worth it. I have 23 black spindle rounds and 7 sleeper rounds. Black spindle has good abilities. Sleeper bounces (Which is absolutely pointless)
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people are upset because its not gally 2.0, honestly im glad its not. Gally made a bunch of people supper reliant on it to the point they could not do ANYTHING on destiny without the damn weapon. SS does a lot of dmg but still requires you to aim and time the charge+ shot. Not something people will use as an EZ mode but more of an opportunistic weapon.
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I think the issue is it not being under powered just that everyone was comparing it to the gjallahorn which was way too op
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Also it's a counter to Sunbreakers
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3 RepliesI don't think it's underpowered at all. People were expecting Gjallarhorn again. They wanted a weapon that you could casually aim at a boss, have it track him, then dissolve his health into oblivion like it's nothing. It's plenty powerful, but you need to aim it and use it carefully. That's what people don't like. They want it OVERLY powerful, not just powerful. If people weren't spoiled by the giant crutch that is Gjallarhorn, they'd probably love Sleeper.
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Alot of people are running a 290 Sleeper and comparing it to their 310 Spindle and talking about how bad it is. It's like they don't even know what numbers are. I use Spindle during Golgoroth, Warpriest, and Deathsingers. But that's just because of how important it is to land crits. At Oryx, you just wanna do alot of damage really quick so of course I use SS go stun Oryx. As long as everybody fires one shot from their sniper, the SS will stun him each and every time, the very second it hits. You have to realize that this weapon is not going to "replace" Gjallarhorn. If it was, it wouldn't be that easy to get. Gjallarhorn was the carrot that guided some of us all the way through year 1. Sleeper was locked behind a timegate released maybe a month after Year 2 began. If you're gonna compare Sleeper to another weapon, at least make sure they have the same attack first.
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Just poking my head around the door to say: I enjoy using my sleeper. That is all
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Thank you for making this thread. Your information may or may not be correct, but the entertainment provided by some of the raging neck beards responses, especially those who feel the need to SCREAM IN CAPITAL LETTERS in their posts like this is something that actually matters, has proved very entertaining this morning.
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Sleeper=garbage
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1 ReplyDon't forget that if you place it right, you can get multiple hits with one bullet.
