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9/21/2015 7:46:56 PM
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Grimoire card: Rasputin 4 discussion

Been reading this over and over trying to make sense of it, it has the potential to be a very big deal but I'm not sure. I'll go over what's pretty certain. [quote]I SEE YOU!!! You’ve been here before. Haven’t you. It’s like my cousin said, elsewhere: I know who you are.[/quote] Not sure what to make of this, the "I SEE YOU!" implies they feel accomplished at finally finding whoever they are speaking to, going on the full caps and exclamation marks. I'm not sure what to make of the cousin comment, I can't think of many who could be speaking in this card who would have a cousin, though I doubt it refers to a literal cousin. [quote]You stand here now and now and now many times and here I am awonder, all awonder, how you manage it. How do you step forward. How do you step back. Do you step ACROSS is there a world of worlds, a web, and you a spider upon it. Are you searching for that one thread you need? Is that thread named victory? [/quote] This lends credit to the idea of multiple timelines, it also suggests that the one found is the exo stranger, as we know her to be very elusive as well as jumping between timelines searching for the right one, where black heart is destroyed. Could rapsutin be talking to the exo stranger? [quote]You’re not one of THEM [long dead, alive again, their bodies grafted to powers they and I do not understand] [/quote] This clearly refers to guardians, although the italic text is curious. Is it someone else talking or simply an explanation? It fits with the stranger, as she could be mistaken for a guardian. [quote]and not one of IT [the flower eater, the queen of final shapes, that which also inhabits its petitioners] [/quote] The darkness. Interesting note is the name "Flower eater", which references when Rasputin saw it devour the garden and suggests Rasputin is the one talking in italics. [quote]and you’re certainly not MINE although once you must have been [I bear an old name. It cannot be killed. Not even here.][/quote] This is interesting, it clearly suggests that the one talking is linked to the one found in some way, though certainly not a direct, significant manner or the two would know eachother better. The italic text again references Rasputin and implies it is him talking in it. What is "not even here" though? [quote]So whose are you, little platform. What purpose do you serve? Will you listen to me? I ruled an age of steel and fire. My rules were clean. Now upon my return I see cults with rites of time. I see machines who worship in places outside the world. I see the dead alive and there is nothing more stubborn than a corpse. The morality of obedience is more pernicious than any government. For the latter makes use of violence, but the former — the corruption of the will.[/quote] Little platform works for the stranger, but also for Rasputin, though not as well. "I ruled an age" and "My rules were clean", these imply the one talking controlled the golden age. We know Rasputin pretty much ran the golden age but is it likely he was a sort of ruler or saw himself as such? It kind of makes sense that the one talking would be the traveller based on this. "Cults with rites of time" A bit rushed so I'm gonna leave this one up for debate atm. "Machine who worship" The vex. "The dead alive." Again, guardians. "There is nothing more stubborn than a corpse." If it is the traveller speaking this implies that creating the guardians was not its intention upon its death, in which case why did it release the ghosts? Ran out of time so I'll have to end it here for the moment, be back later.

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  • I've only read this card once before and my initial interpretation is Rasputin taking to the Exo Stranger throughout. It never actually dawned on me it could be anyone but them?

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    • Edited by Antares-3: 10/10/2015 8:49:53 PM
      RAS knows all about the Hive's history, so the cult might reference the three sister's worship of the worms. Oryx does try to prevent our access to RAS, since his info is abundant.

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    • Edited by ImLordAqua: 10/10/2015 7:00:09 PM
      The card makes references to Ghost Fragment: Mysteries Assume the one [I bear an old name. It cannot be killed.] is the Traveler speaking, but it could be someone else who is like the Traveler, an immortal god perhaps, is speaking to Rasputin. Rasputin was activate by the same person over the course of hundreds of years after all.

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    • Makes me even more convinced that guardians are undead super soldiers whose main power is the ability of their ghosts to revive them, this making them able to kill any opponent

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      • Those marathon references man

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      • Edited by A Rising Wind: 9/28/2015 6:56:49 PM
        It's gotta be Rasputin speaking to the Exo Stranger in my opinion as well. Two little additional nuggets I saw: 1. The term "cousin". I've seen Exos use this term before. The vanguard quartermaster grimoire shows Cayde-6 calling Roni 55-30 his "distant machine cousin". So if a frame is a cousin to an Exo, then maybe Rasputin views the Exo similarly. 2. Rasputin's statement that you are not mine, though at some point you must have been. Reading vex 4, it shows it took a warmind to allow the Ishtar scientist to proxy into a mechanical body (think the movie Avatar) and keep their minds safe from the vex simulation they were once trapped in. If it took a warmind level intelligence to accomplish that, it must have also taken a warmind to run the deep stone crypt subroutine, which first gave exos human consciousness. By that rational, I view this as stating, because you (the stranger) are Exo, Rasputin must have at one point been involved (either himself or another warmind he has now taken control of) . But since the stranger can go "across" (move to alternate Timelines), she is not of his creation (ie: she learned new tricks). Which speaks to another theory about the FWC and the device, which is another topic for another day :)

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        • Little platform would probably refer to an exo. Smaller than Rasputin in size in general but not a ghost

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        • Edited by RNGunit: 9/29/2015 3:20:50 PM
          1) Multiple grimoire cards allude to the Exos being built for war, so it would only make sense that they would take orders from a Warmind ("and you’re certainly not MINE [i]although once you must have been[/i]"). So Rasputin most likely speaking to an exo, probably the Stranger based on everyone's observations. 2) In one of the new story missions where you fight the Taken in Rasputin's bunker to retrieve the "stealth code" or whatever (I forgot the story's name), there are two terminals on either side of a formerly sealed hallway that can be scanned with Ghost. He says they are retinal scanners and they have been used multiple times over several centuries [i]by the same pair of eyes[/i]. So either it was a Guardian (who are effectively immortal) or it was our friend the Stranger. Although, I guess it could possibly be any Exo that wasn't destroyed. Edit: Story mission is "The Promethean Code"

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        • Bump for later please

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        • Definitely sounds like Rasputin speaking to the Exo Stranger. Hell, if it's not, I'll eat my hat. XP

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        • I think it's oryx talking to ras

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