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Edited by m00ninite:
7/21/2015 10:53:45 PM
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Hand Cannon clip size change... retroactive?
[b]Edit[/b]: Added a photo of my Fulcrum above just for some eye candy, but please READ ONWARD :)
Obviously we will have to wait to hear more from Bungie in the coming weeks, but from what has been told to us so far, I'd like to get some opinions here.
When they make these changes to hand cannons and lower the clip sizes, is it going to make all of my old hand cannon clips go down as well? Some places in the update state that certain changes will only take place on new weapons in the next expansion, but others like 'Stat Perk Tuning Pass' specifically call out retroactive changes. [quote]..and this change was made retroactively against all year one weapon talent grids.[/quote]
I ask this because currently a lot of the Final Round/LiTC hand cannon builds rely on either Smallbore or Braced Frame to lower the clip sizes down, however, I have never been able to get all 3 on the same roll. Instead I have Final Round and LiTC paired with other perks like Speed Reload or Rifled Barrel. Not terrible rolls, although the % chance of lucky bullet is not as high as with the smaller clip. Now I can't decide if I should continue to reforge my weapon OR just wait for the clip sizes to come down globally across all hand cannons, and then my perks will actually be preferred over Smallbore since you will already have less shots.
Conversation and healthy debates welcome below!
Would love to see a response from DeeJ or Cozmo to clear up this upcoming change to our beloved HC's!
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2 RepliesRise of hawkmoon in ttk
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Cozzzzmoooooooooo!!! Help us!!!
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1 ReplyIt might. They say it will be applied to all "base inventory" stats. But then they also specifically say other changes will be retroactive; I am wondering if there's like a base "Hand Cannon" on which everything is built (stat-wise) and reductions to that basic model then cascade through the rest. Safest to assume that all of our hand cannons will see a magazine decrease -- besides, if we assume that, we can't be disappointed.
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3 RepliesI'll will might end up having like 3 bullets xD
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4 RepliesMy interpretation is that all hand cannons are getting butt-fücked. Just think, TDYD or whatever the lame replacement for TDYK calls itself; only has a 5 round clip (fight me irl everyone who is going to comment that it's not a clip) so post nerf that thing will have like three rounds. Like shïtty white rarity HCs used to have.
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1 ReplyI don't understand why they have to reduce the mag size on hand cannons, it indeed seems wrong somehow as these legendary hand cannons with final round and litc could become very dirty as they benefit from reduced mag sizes. I have a Ill Will with final round, luck in the chamber and braced frame for 5 rounds. If that gets dropped to 3 rounds it will most of the time be a 2 headshot kill or I can spec for speed reload to address the guns biggest weakness and keep my 5 rounds. Seems very wrong to me :S
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1 ReplyEdited by Joe4Gionz: 7/20/2015 3:36:07 PMSame problem here I rerolled my ill will about 200 times(at least since I wasted a little over 200 motes and 75k glimmer) and only got final round and litc never smallbore or braces frame:( But I kept it like that incase the new patch gives it a smaller mag anyway.
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4 RepliesI have an Ill will with LiTC final round and braced frame. It is pretty dirty.
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3 RepliesThe Fulcrum on my Hunter has Final Round, Braced Frame, and Luck in the Chamber. Got it on my 4th roll. To answer your question, I believe the reduction in mag size is being applied to all hand cannons, old and new. It is part of the weapon type balance, so it should affect any weapon within that type.
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1 ReplyI don't use any hand cannons that can be re-rolled, but this change makes me sad. :( I use handcannons with 12 round clips,and to me, anything with less than 8 isn't worth using, because reloading eats up valuable time. I may actually stop using handcannons all together if it does affect my old hand cannons. Namely The Devil You Know and my Fatebringer, which I just got yesterday. Also, I mostly use hand cannons for PvE. I've really only used Devil you know a few times in crucible, which I don't play much, and I used The Last Word in iron banner to get Etheric Light. Universal Remote and Vestian Dynasty are my go-to crucible weapons.
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4 RepliesAny word on how much of a mag size nerf? I would think it would only be one or two bullets at most depending on the gun. Personally, I don't understand the reasoning behind it.
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1 ReplyMy fulcrum is better, you should try to get a roll that reduces mag size, like mine
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Bump.
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4 RepliesNot sure how this will work just to use the guy below me as an example he said it would take some down to 3 rounds (possibly) but then how about the hand cannons that are already at 3 does that mean they will hold 1 or 2 rounds, I don't think that will happen I bet the mag size will only slightly change the ones that are at 5 might not change at all or go down to 4 rounds and ones like red hand down to 8 from 10. It's are to say they're is still alot of ambiguity in the post alot of the nurfs and buffs don't have a number beside them probably because they havnt actually determine the details yet.
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1 ReplyYou can still have final round on hand cannons. Smaller mag size on a final round hand cannon, re roll your weapons now lol
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1 ReplyI would definitely wait to see how much the decrease actually is. You don't want to jump the gun and lose your Litc and final round roll, because if can be quite frustrating to get back. Plus, like you said, if the mag size is lowered enough, a perk like flared magwell is definitely a better choice as you will have both a smaller mag for higher Litc chances, and a fast reload. Personally, I'm in the same boat as you with my ill will, but I think flared magwell is definitely the better perk over smallbore, because otherwise the reload is atrocious.
