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[b][i][u]Do what we say, not what we do.[/u][/i][/b]
[spoiler]Practice what you preach.[/spoiler]
The hypocrisy of Bungies actions in relation to the Gjallarhorn (and I've enjoyed stacking my rocket launchers with each element, tripod, and tracking long before now simply because I really do prefer legendaries) is really in the community's face. People in-game have been discussing this for days now. Some might not recognize that double standard. For those that aren't aware or just got into the game the deal with Bungie and it's decision being hypocritical about Gjallarhorn is about the principle for me and quite a few in-game who are now seeing the double standard. In today's gaming culture, with how a developers reputation is what keeps their business going, I can see Bungies reputation on the downslope in this regard.
The Gjallarhorn by itself is "content". It's an item in the game that becomes useable when you find it, whether engram or other means. HAWKMOON is called "exclusive content" because it was Playstation only. Gjallarhorn is content. Just not exclusive to a platform. Bungies statement about their [i]reason[/i] "raid leaders or community who require it for raids" being the reason they nerfed it is a contradiction.
Bungie stated they are nerfing the Gjallarhorns wolf pack rounds because community was stacking their teams with only players who had the GJALLARHORN (which is content like all other items in the game data) and turning away players who don't own it. Basically those players were discriminating against those who hadn't obtained that content. Regardless of my disagreement with that mindset and requirement of those players, it's [u]their right.[/u] Raid leaders have a responsibility, when they recognize their responsibilities appropriately. If their job is done by them correctly, they have standards. Those standards are what get the raid done when applied to the team. If raid leaders had no standards, raids would never get done. And let's be honest, no matter when a raid is run there are players who exist that are not up to those standards. Raid leaders have the unfortunate responsibility of enforcing the requirements.
Now here's the contridiction of standards and hypocrisy of the principle.
Bungies decision makers in their infinite wisdom and supposed high moral standards had ZERO PROBLEMS with [b]locking out non content owners[/b] from daily, and weekly activities that Bungie removed because post game sale you were denied access to end game activities (daily, heroic, nightfall) if you didn't give Bungie more money.
In other words...
Bungie stated they were upset with players discriminating against non-Ghorn owners by not allowing them to play in raids (Ghorn is content)......
But Bungies bosses and decision makers had no problem discriminating against non-DLC owners by not allowing players the ability to play the daily/heroic/nightfall (DLC is content).
Edit: Prior to the Machinima video being created, community discussed the simple solution to community being locked out of those activities, by Bungie ADDING two icons in the [i]Director[/i] when DLC took the place of one of those activities. This [u]could have been considerate[/u] on Bungies part if it [i]was[/i] implemented. The omnigul nightfall could've been available, and for non-content owners any other core vanilla game strike could have been offered so both demographics (DLC owners and NON DLC owners) [b]wouldn't[/b] have been locked out of playing [b]with friends.[/b] Bungie didn't do that. They set the two communities apart from each other.
[i]Bungies doing:[/i]
You don't own the omnigul content? You can't play with me in the nightfall.
[i]Community's doing:[/i]
You don't own the Gjallarhorn content?
You can't play my raid.
One is Bungie.
One is community.
Yet Bungie is stating it's a "no-no" when we have a content requirement that separates us. But no problem separating us via content.
I've no problem being locked out of DLC content I didn't buy. But don't complain when the community does it with what they DID BUY and blame them for a nerf based on exactly what you're doing.
So again, Bungie, you are acting like a bunch of duplicitous hypocrites claiming high moral caliber in defense of non-Ghorn content owners being discriminated when you yourself discriminated against non content owners with daily and weekly activity removal via an indirect pay-wall.
IF Bungie really wanted to play the "ALL FAIR CARD", they would be announcing the implementation of "Optional Matchmaking" for raids. If you are that concerned with community having STANDARDS when it comes to requirements for raids because those that run them don't have hours upon hours to waste with players who don't have appropriate level or insufficient ammo and only under leveled gear, let's see YOU run raids "without requirements". Let's see you run raids "without standards". And when you run those raids let's see how long it takes for you to complete them with a bunch of players that weren't required to have what was needed. You chose to not put optional matchmaking in the game... and then you penalize community for having the standards you didn't have when making the game.
That's morose.
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Edited by La_Roux: 8/3/2015 7:47:42 PMHONESTLY It's extremely stupid how bungie is just ruining the game further, we as a community barely forgave their recent transgression which was the overpricing of the Taken King, I believe if we have a large resistance from the community like everyone canceling their pre order for Taken King, they'd have to listen to what we're asking for them to not do.
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BUMP!
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I don't have trouble finishing raids when I make a no requirement team
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Bump!
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Bungie is run by morons
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My thing is if they had a problem with people making requirements (something that will always happen in lfg) and there solution is to nerf guns for the purpose of there being NO requirements. Why not just add OPTIONAL MATCHMAKING!!!
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Bump. Couldn't of said it any better.
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Makes sense. Now if bungie actually gave a rats ass, they would comment.
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I don't have ghorn and I've never been kicked for not having it either. Bump.
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Well stated.
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Well said.
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Bump.
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nice content
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Fantastic argument well said loved the part about its the leaders responsibility to put together a group required for the task, while I have not ever demanded gally from my group, I have no problem with asking for a certain class or level for a raid because I know it's required (looking at you level 30s on ce hard) and for non gally owners not getting into groups MAKE YOUR OWN POST GOD DAMN IT!! You can beat crota with any rocket launcher I've done it lol you can beat atheon with any weapon. Why would you bother playing that boring shit hole of PoE anyways lol?
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elitism is the partial reason. the rest is because the gamers found out how to face absolutely destroy their precious, boring, short shelf life product called prison of elders. Deejesus and prof boringman couldn't beat on stream. we made skolas our bitch. they are embarrassed by that.
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Damn. Never even thought of it that way, and I'm on the side to stop the nerfs. Hats off to you sir, you've got the argument Bungie can't beat.
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Bump. To bad people at Bungie are so blind to the problems they create. They think they take a step forward when they are doing nothing but taking a step back and hurting themselves. I am a beta and day one player. I love this game for the mechanics but there is so much this game lacks. The fact that Bungie is not trying to fix the real problems they just make a smoke screen and ignore it. I am still on the wall about the purchase of TTK and with the weapon balancing that's coming it is pushing me away from the new DLC. Bungie pull your head out of your butt and do something right for a change.
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Edited by Carlinhos_MOAB: 7/24/2015 3:11:33 PMDo you realize the fact that the problem with g-horn is that you cant choose to have it or not. You can buy the expansion but there is not earn button for gally. So, its bullshit that people get -blam!-ed because they dont have a weapon that is randomly aquired. I agree that raid leaders can have requirements, such as a certain light level ( you can upgrade your armor independently of RNG) or 365 legendary weapons (also, can be obtained by hard work). But, they couldn't ask for something that the player has no controll or decision over, considering that content is doable without it, just requiring more time and work.
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Bump! Preach it!
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..preach brother!