I don't know if this is just my opinion but the Thorn and the Hawkmoon are both basically 2 shots to the head and your gone. They do need nerfing because its near impossible to get a kill now in Trials or Crucible, and the fact that you have to basically be mlg to win in trials if the opposite team arn't doing head glitches or arn't running around the map with the Party Crasher +1! For me they are quite easy to beat in IronBanner and Trials but in normal crucible without the level difference on you might aswell leave it on as of theres basically no difference! This is my opinion...