I've heard all the arguments but frankly using the forums to find a PuG is still playing with a PuG. The only difference is we have to find them ourselves. We have to leave the game to find a team for the game and when we do it's still got all the drawbacks of a PuG. You claim maybe we can friend those people and make a fireteam, yet if I had a good team in matchmaking I could friend them and start a fireteam. Leaving matchmaking out of the game just means we have to find the pugs because you couldn't be arsed to implement a feature that EVERY multiplayer game knows it should have. From shooters to MMO's, matchmaking is a must. Leave the raids and the endgame stuff as hard as they currently are. If I make it through with a PuG from matchmaking then well done us. It's mind boggling that you say it needs to be done with friends coz it's so hard yet we go to your recruitment section and find randoms. Why is there ever an endgame section if you don't want us doing it with strangers. Get your -blam!-ing heads in the game, its getting stupid. PS, why do you insist on leaving Destiny based game devices outside the game itself? grimoire, group finding, the armoury features on the app. Was there really so little memory available?