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Edited by Axcelcius: 5/5/2015 5:00:57 PM
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Iron Banner isn't Fun Anymore

I've participated in most of the Iron Banner events and I am at the point that I hate IB. IB has become not a test of skill, but a test of who has the best "weapons of the patch". Last IB, if you didn't use the Red Death, you got boned. This time, if you don't use the Thorn, or another hand cannon, then expect to die often in 1v1. The other issue with this is that I do solo and PvP but that gear from that doesn't compare to raid gear. Make solo missions with the raid equivalent difficulty and rewards. Do the same with PvP. I am having other issues that I haven't had before: enemy shotguns with long range and one-hit-kills from long range, enemy survives blasts to the face with fusion rifles at close ranges, and fully charge melee hits not killing the target. I have noticed that I do not enjoy IB anymore and, furthermore, I don't even enjoy it when my team is winning. During the last IB, I felt the same way until I switched to the Red Death, then I enjoyed myself. This time I am not switching. I am tired of the "balancing" patches that buff one weapon type and the nerf everything else. [b]Obviously I need to clarify.[/b] Based on the comments this post has received, I can tell I wasn't clear in what I was trying to say. My issue isn't with any particular weapon or weapon type but, rather, the the lack of consistency and the drastic changes from patch to patch and the effect this inconsistency and imbalance has had on my enjoyment of the IB. My skill as a player is irrelevant as when I was more inexperienced, and performing horribly in IB, I still enjoyed playing. As a developer, feedback on UX is invaluable. If your product provides poor UX, then people will use another product. Their goal should be to maximize participants in all game modes. If you disagree, that is your prerogative.

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  • Yes it is. Bye.

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  • I used Hawkmoon, and I had fun.

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  • I didn't have the same experience at all. I did just fine with Three Little Words, Invective, and even the Stranger's Rifle. I even equipped the Mida Multi-tool and just ran around punching and shoulder charging people to death. Sure, there were a LOT of Thorns, TLWs, and Red Deaths. But I actually had a good time being successful with something different.

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    • When was it ever fun? Lately it is the worst of the worst

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    • I agree. Bungie tries so hard to make people use different guns that each patch makes the game play different and after Xur shows up on the weekends and takes the fun out of grinding, everyone suddenly has the same gun. May as well go play Halo, at least its more enjoyable.. This is what happens when a game is rushed out the door. If Bungie took more time to test the game, even if it came out late, it would be good. They pushed it while it was under-developed and its now forever going to be a shitty game. People form opinions and that's what bungie is forgetting. They think they can just throw another patch or expansion pack at us and all will be well.. Not so my friend, not so..

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      • Easy fix don't play it anymore if you don't find it fun

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        • Disagree with you opinion that only Red Death was used last IB and only HCs were used this IB. It becomes more obvious every day that the people on these forums do not represent the majority of players experience with the game. I came up against a load more variety with regards to weapons this IB and even though I'm a scrubby thorn user, the wide variety of guns killed me many times. I do agree that the constant nerfing and adjusting has messed things up a bit, but it has to be done in order to find the right balance.

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        • Just use the last word/felwinters lie and you will feel better. Thats the best weapon combo hand down and most popular, so it just really cones down to your accuracy

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        • U r aware iron banner is done correct

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        • Want a challenge? Beat people you think outgun you. [spoiler]Seriously[/spoiler]

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        • I got hit by thorns all the time, i can count how many times the other person killed me on one hand. I only have 3 fingers on that hand.

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        • You ever thought about maybe its not the gun and its just you?

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          • Love my vex and hawkmoon

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          • Did the first Iron Banner with the Mida, did this Iron Banner with the Mida. Still wrecking it. Yes hand cannons and red death are more common than they were, but its more about the user's ability with the gun they're using than it is about any specific weapon. My go to is the Mida, and my play style suits it well. Find what your play style works best with and you are golden.

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          • Edited by Shadow_Legion: 5/5/2015 4:40:50 AM
            That is what nerfs do to a game. And why circle nerfing will only make things worse.

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            • The problem is that no matter what they do to fück up the weapons for you pvp cry babies, someone will always bitch that the weapons are imbalanced. What do you want to see? The thorn should have its perks removed and take as many head shots/body shots to kill a player as the Monte Carlo? Some weapons are more powerful that others on a per shot basis. If a bunch of players get good at using hand cannons and are headshot machines, that doesn't mean you fück up the aiming mechanics or nerf the damage of the weapon. Doing that just fücks the millions of other players that aren't aim bots and that enjoy using the weapon. Those players now have to deal with reduced stats because a group of people in pvp got really good with it and the ones who refuse to get good with the best weapons cry like bitches until the gun gets fücked over in a patch. Well, you know what, those players that were "exploiting" the weapon you just helped fück over will find the new most powerful weapon in the game and get good with it. You, on the other hand, will not adapt, will come to the forums, and will whine like a bitch that this new most powerful weapon is killing you too much and should be nerfed. Do you see the endless cycle? It leads to nothing but fücking over the masses because you are a whiny bitch.

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              • When bungie releases their weapon buff and nerf patches it does give a weapon type a huge buff and most of the others crappy nerfs. But that doesn't mean that they should nerf exotics, especially exotic bounty weapons. Some of thoss bounties are a huge pain in the a@@ such as thorn if you aren't too great in crucible or if you don't have void weapons. It does take a lot of skill to complete some of these bounties and because people are complaining about getting killed by a weapon (thorn is the most complained about) it gets nerfed to hell and becomes useless to the point people will start dismantling the bounty once they grab it. I do think want to see this happen so please stop complaining about it and remember it's iron banner. If someone is coming at you with a maxed thorn or last word then yeah you might be screwed but if you counter it with a maxed weapon of your own then the odds of you walking away from that 1v1 increases. The weapons don't make the guardian, the guardian makes the weapon.

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                • Dude, guy under me is right. Levels matter so much. And yes, you use the best gear always. It's just that people don't look for their own play style, they just use the styles of other players who are better. Complaining about it won't change anything. The only way to change it is to make your own personal load out and become one of the trendsetters yourself. Be the change my friend Be the change

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                • I actually enjoy pvp since the special ammo patch. I get to use my primary instead of running straight shotgun to compensate for everyone else using them.

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                  • I think the only thing worth complaing about is the lag. Cue the guy that says "get better internet scrub."

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                    • I liked the changes to the ammo surprisingly. Don't like the effect of killing off autos leading to more and more hand cannons. Not that I had any real problem with HC themselves. It's just that killing a class of weapons to make others used more is not balancing. That's just them choosing what we use for us basically. Pulse rifles went in a good direction. I think that buff alone could have reduced the amount of autos and at most give autos a very very minor nerf(at that time). But now they will probably nerf HC again leaving pulse rifles as the top killing device. Endless cycle. But that applies to crucible as a whole and not IB. Lag was pretty ridiculous in IB this time for sure.

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                    • I used my multi-tool and had no problems. I used The Last Word and had no problems. I used No Land Beyond and the only problem I had was that my head shots weren't counting towards bounties. I used my full auto secret hand shake and had no problem. I used my Against all Odds and had no problems. I ranked up and got what I wanted. I'm happy.

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                    • I don't understand exactly what bungie needs to change to make IB enjoyable again for you. Can you elaborate? For me I just play with whatever weapon I feel like leveling and it never stops me getting kills or having fun. You can see me rocking a suros or mida or even b-line trauma / Atheons epilogue. (And as of last night: no land beyond) As for the non raid gear that's exactly what attracts me to iron banner, to get the higher light level gear. (And also another 6 pvp bounties a day helps) So what was it this time that was different from the early days? Because I've seen the trends (random order): auto rifle, vex, fusion rifle, shotgun, thorn, hand cannons, ice breaker, fel winters lie, etc.. There will always be a gun that appeals to the masses and you'll see more than other guns. Only one thing for me that ruined IB and is ruining Crucible atm is the bad connections and people cheating with bad connections.

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                      • I cant count how many times I totally owned thorn users in iron banner by using Mida Multi Tool. Leave the guns alone.

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                        • This iron banner was the most glitchy one I've ever played.

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                          • I'm not that good in pvp. I don't even care what weapons people use. lag is what killed the enjoyment for me. and shitty teammates that quit 5 mins in.

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