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5/2/2015 8:51:17 PM
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Curious how others feel about this.
Hi everyone, I'm just wondering if anyone else feels my frustration on this or if I am alone. Anyway, I think I am done with destiny now, and will not be getting house of wolves. This is because I cannot really play crucible anymore because of bungie's changes to the weapons and ammo. I have been with destiny a long time. I have beaten all the raids including hard crota, and I even soloed normal crota with my 32 titan. All three of my classes are 32.
Currently, the top weapons used are handcannons, namely thorn and hawkmoon, this is not surprising given that their damage output is extremely high. Problem with that is that I have trouble using that class of weapon. The two weapons I knew how to use well were auto rifles and rapid fire sniper rifles. Those were my strongpoints because I like the stability of the rifles, and the rapid fire snipers helped make up for the fact that I am not a very good shot, especially while under fire. But I cannot snipe like I used to now because of the greatly reduced special ammo. Auto rifles have been so badly nerfed you hardly see them anymore, even the mighty suros has become an uncommon sight.
I have tried to use hand cannons, but I have a really hard time keeping them on target because of the recoil, and my thorn has no upgrades anyway. The fact that they require precision shooting does not help me either, as I said, I am not a very good shot. the handcannons I have cannot compete with thorn and hawkmoon. I have the last word, but because its range is so short I have difficulty using it properly. I tried to use my swordbreaker, but that was an even worse idea because everyone else is using a shotgun called Felwinters Lie, which has an extreme range for a shotgun. Plus the thorn/hawkmoon people typically kill me before I can close the distance anyway. I also tried pulse rifles, but my dps was still too low to compete with enemy handcannons.
So I think I am done, my k/d is pathetic, and the rest of my team has been forced to carry me. I bring down whatever team I am placed on in crucible matches. As far as I can tell, Bungie has no interest in balancing the weapons. The only change they have mentioned is fixing a spawn error on the iron banner, otherwise, they seem content with their system. Those of you who enjoy these handcannon duels, more power to you, but I feel that there is nothing left for me in destiny, and I don't like bringing down my team in crucible.
With all of that said, how does everyone else feel?
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Just keep swimming, swimming, swimming...
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you know I'm in the same boat as you, I feel the weapons are hovered around singular class types ( aka pistols and shotguns ) and I feel that the only way to compete with these weapons is to use them. In other words, if you can't beat em, join em. I do quite find pistols enjoyable to use from time to time, but not to the point where in order for me to win a game I have to use a specific setup in order to actually win. In other words I'm talking about the thorn and Last Word, also known to be the most highest dps guns to be used in the crucible primary wise ( I play on Xbox 360 so I have no idea what hawkmoon is like) in my opinion. as for special weapons, the most viable thing to use ( take note again, this is my opinion) is shotguns. Sure you have snipers and all, but not everyone has learned under the ways of FaZe and can quickscope and land shots like a supernatural human being like deadshot. As for fusion rifles, I believe that they are still viable, but not as easy to use like shotguns, simply due to the fact that you have to land all the shots otherwise you wasted a few seconds of precious time to either die, or lose a objective. My honest opinion about crucible is that pretty much is a endless cycle of on side calling a gun out to be nerfed, some with actual valid reasoning and others that just say its op due to the popularity of the weapon ( aka Thorn ). Along with the otherside getting sick of nerf callers wanting them to shutup so they can use their "favorite weapon" due to its "low kill time" (lets be honest here, its the reason why you use it) as well as those getting sick of the people that calling out to be nerfed to, again, its popularity. I slighty understand both sides of the wall but I'm going to stick with my own side saying that some weapons could do with a slight nerf (eg thorns impact should be reduced to three headshots and the dot to finish off an opponent not two) as well as those that need a buff (aka I'm talking about Slimmar's Wrath in specific simply due to the fact that its a iron banner weapon, it should be better then what it is now) Regardless of whatever I just wrote this is the nutshell version: Everyone is a moth. We see the light, we go too it. If that light dims out, we all fly off and go to the next one.
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Suck it up
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I bought season pass several months ago... doesnt matter my opinion, but I wish at least psn trophies (got 0 last dlc)
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Shadow price and icebreaker, problem solved
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Balancing does not mean someone with bad aim will be able to compete with players who have good aim... Don't take offense to this I'm not trying to be rude, but I think the mere fact that you were able to be on par with hand cannons using auto rifles is a testament to the fact that they were too powerful, yes auto rifles do need some tweaking, as they have been nerfed a bit into the ground, but I don't think they are unusable. Also if you are looking for something with high stability try the bad juju or the red death, red death is basically the new suros, with an even faster time to kill, it can two shot people if you land your precision hits, and bad juju is a great weapon now as well... Most importantly however, just pick something to use and practice with it, practice does make a difference when switching weapons.
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I use auto and fusion rifles because everyone uses hand cannons and shotguns. Mostly Up For Anything and The Calming. I have been doing the hand cannon and shotgun bounties and during IB and have to say I understand why that is what most people use but I am not willing to say that playing good with hand cannons is a gimmie. It takes practice and skill to wield them. Some guys just amaze me. I swear they have aim bot. If I were to suggest a change for balancing I would decrease range but increase short range stopping power so the balancing to shorter range wouldn't ruin them. I just don't think they should be able to stand with auto rifles at 150 yards. Some might argue that shorter range would be the death of them. I guess it depends on our style. Stopping power would help balance against shotguns. For shotguns, what can I say, Any scrub could run with them, even my own scrubby self.
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2 RepliesI wasn't around before they nerfed the Auto Rifles so I wouldn't know the difference. But I can say that they are pretty weak weapon class as it stands right now. I just received the Silimar's Wrath in Iron Banner, which I hear you can only get as a drop in IB. It's almost fully upgraded, yet barely scratches anything for being a PvP only legendary drop. Takes like 10% of the rounds to kill a Dreg at the earth patrol spawn area. Now that's bad lol. Really no complaints about those that use exotics in PvP even though I have none myself. Well placed shots with any scout rifle or pulse rifle and constantly moving will win against any opponent no matter the weapon disadvantage.
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2 RepliesHandcannons rock because they're versatile. They're like the BR/DMR of Destiny. However, that's the thing that makes them the worst weapons as well. All things being equal, they will always lose to a shotgun and AR up close (except maybe Last Word against some ARs). All things being equal, they will lose to scouts and snipers at long ranges.
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2 RepliesEdited by Bulked, Apostle of Strengf: 5/3/2015 5:07:01 PMThis reads like an "I give up" post. No wonder you never got better...you do not seem to want to adapt at all. Which begs the question: why the long-winded forum post? Are you seeking advice to get better? (doesn't seem so) or is this more just a plea for the "woe is you" attention? You have already decided on quitting without trying to adapt and get better, so why blame the nerfing and/or changing of crucible weapons for your poor performance when many people who play this game continue to get better? For me, the latest update has been fine. Less special ammo isn't that large of a detriment to sniping. Auto rifles need a rebuff, agreed, but then again auto rifle is sort of the crutch weapon. A low level with a blue high impact auto rifle should not be able to outshoot an exotic hand cannon.
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If they would buff auto rifles I would have no complaints.
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People tend to forgot other games the duck are you comparing destiny with COD? nost people used the same ducking gun and a sniper rifle
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I barely notice the special change and snipe constantly. As for not being good with HC you just need to accept it but use it all the time. My first exotic was Last Word and hated handcannons. I still used it all the time and now its one of my favorite weapon classes.
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I think Bungie still have work to do to improve weapon diversity in the Crucible: Auto rifles are now uncompetitive - rolling back the last nerf would go a long way to evening the playing field. I also believe that scouts require a modest boost - their TTK is simply too long at the moment.
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I don't think the game is the problem. Is seems like you just suck.
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4 RepliesI can't say the crucible is balanced, but i can say it will never be. I do not agree your statement of HCs are not balanced because of one gun. You cannot see many to complain about Hawkmoon, but only Thorn. I do not support nerfing in general. You mentioned that you are good at using ARs and fasr RoF Snipers. I do also use Praedyth's Revenge, and with field scout it starts wi the 12 rounds which is more than enough to start a game. If even that is not enough, you need to keep a better eye on special ammo spawns. And even that isn't enough, you are just a bad shot and cannot blame the game for it. I have seen plenty of guys use Hard Light and wreck people in crucible. It is still not impossible. Just one more addition as it is something i really hate about the last nerf to HC. reducing the accuracy of follow up shots had changed some HC users play style as landing 2 headshots harder now. Don't get me wrong, it is still possible. However, had change the play style to adjust unnecessarily. You might be done with Destiny, but posting to say that amd start poll about a game you say that you already done with is just seeking attention and support from community so you don't feel like you are that bad.
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It's fine as is, the only huge problem is that ARs have been destroyed.
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I'd like auto rifles to come somewhere close to their former glory. My Vanquisher that I spent a bunch of Crucible marks on is now collecting dust and I miss using it. :(
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They need to fix AR's. Other than that it's perfectly fine
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It is very difficult to balance the guns in this game. Every weapon is unique and most of them do not need balancing in PvE but only in PvP. I agree that hand cannons are the go to weapon in PvP but nerfing them won't help. Assault rifles are useless in both PvP and PvE. They need a slight buff to catch up.
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Edited by GalaxySpider: 5/3/2015 3:03:27 PMThe 3 exotic HCs need tweaking ASAP otherwise I don't see the point of adding more guns to the crucible vendor (or any other vendor) when everyone automatically becomes obsolete just because of the exotic HCs. At least for PvP. They should remain untouched for PvE though. And yes, I have all 3 of them, and yes, I'm using them and yes they are overpowered for PvP and no, buffing every other gun doesn't help cauz this would end up in a COD like flow with nearly-instant kills.
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I agree with you in regards to hand cannons and shotguns... I use the Vex. Most times I wreck fools with it. My k/d was like .5 without it and I was like -1000 kills from being a 1 k/d. Now it's .98 with about -170 kills from being a 1 k/d.
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The [b]only[/b] thing that needs to be changed, is auto rifles. Buff them back to the way they were, then leave the weapons alone.
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I don't really play crucible so it doesn't bother me but I won't be buying HoW anyway. There are a hell of a lot of games coming out this year that i've been waiting for, one on the 19th of May. I won;t have much time for it plus a lot of the stuff, not including the events, is free so I don't see any point.
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2 RepliesMIDA is the answer to any crucible problems you come across. Exotic HCs do need to be brought down a bit though
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If you want to know my opinion, it's not easy to use hand cannons - even if you have a hawkmoon. It take some time to learn, so other weapons. Actually in crucible you can see all kinds of weapons - a lot of ppl are using mida, red death, suros etc. And they are really good with it. I HATED auto rifles - I felt like being shooted by some random skillless players, who depends only on the rate of fire. Shotguns even now drives me mad but I cannot agree with you as it comes to felwinter. I've seen a lot of players using different types of shotgun - from swordbraker to new monarchy shotgun. So stop moaning and keep practising! And different thing- in HoW there will be possibility to upgrade all kinds of legendaries, so you can finally choose the one with the perks that will be usefull for you. I can't wait to wear something that will impove reload speed with the gun I'm really using.
