Hi Deej,
I was wondering if you, or one of the Devs could possibly answer a few questions, that I'm sure some of the community would like answered (Of course I'm not speaking for everyone) regarding Nightfall rewards.
So this week is (at the time of this post ) obviously Omnigul with Arc burn.... Not overly difficult, but can be a pain at times.
So this is a TDB DLC strike... Yet ASCENDANT materials are in the loot table. I'm wondering why? When you read the Radiant materials blurb, it says it can be earned in Nightfalls (please correct me if I'm wrong). I have never seen or heard any of any of my friends receiving Radiant mats as a Nightfall reward.
[b]I would like to know why ascendant materials are in Omnigul's strike at all instead of radiant mats?[/b] And if it's hard to separate them out... Why?
I'm simply after an explanation in layman's terms, as last night I received... 7... Count 'em.... 7 Ascendant Shards from Omnigul.
Next... For my other Nightfall I got 12 Strange Coins. Now, that in itself isn't an entirely bad thing. As long as Xür actually brings something I want or need (which we all know, rarely happens). But.... I get 9 of them doing the same thing on a less difficult setting for the weekly heroic.
Basically the Nightfall's are the next step down from raids (imho), and in some cases are actually harder and take longer (my group can do Crota on normal faster than most Nightfalls). And... I got Red Death from Crota on normal...
Let me recap:
Weekly heroic1 = 9 Strange Coins
Nightfall1 = 12 Strange Coins
Weekly heroic2 = 9 Strange Coins
Nightfall 2 = 7 Ascendant Shards
Crota on normal = Red Death
Now, I'm not expecting or even asking for an explanation on how Destiny's RNG works... But I am asking why the rewards aren't separated to properly reflect what task you're undertaking and its relative difficulty.
I'm sure there's a lot of frustration out there regarding this, and other RNG issues... But I'm just trying to focus on one thing here, and that's Nightfall.
Each week I look forward to the activities that net the best rewards, and like most of us, I'm trying to get a few elusive items. But when this happens, it's a bit of a let down and I know immediately... "There goes another week's chances down the drain".
Could you possibly chat with a Dev and come back to us, or, have a Dev answer these questions in a simple, empathetic way?
I'm just one guy, one player, one customer asking for a no nonsense, simple answer and some acknowledgment of a situation that isn't isolated, so that we might better understand why things are the way they are.
Any feedback is appreciated Deej. If you're reading this, thanks for your time.
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[b]2)[/b]Wow... We're trending guys! (although I can't ever understand how this works, as I often see posts with ZERO responses trending)
Any future bumps/likes or suggestions are appreciated.
[b]3)[/b]I understand RNG... So please, there's no need to shoot a messenger.
By messenger I mean someone asking for an explanation to an issue that directly is affecting a lot of people. We've seen updates addressing less pressing issues, so maybe this could be something more substantial to get an update on.
Yes, I'm asking why some mapping can't be used to better allocate the appropriate loot for certain activities?
As Destiny matures, surely the loot system should mature with it. Just like weapon buffs and nerfs, bug fixes, patches etc, cannot the RNG system progress along side long time players while still looking after newer players at the same time through more comprehensive mapping?
By nature, we want better things out of our lives... A better job, more money, better posessions. Do you not?
Why shouldn't we want them from our entertainment, our hobbies? That's all I'm trying to get at here.
[b]4)[/b]Thanks to all here who are being civil and constructive.
If we can keep this trending, keep bumping it, and keep being decent to each other I really feel someone will look at it and respond. Stay on this guys and girls.
Keep persisting. If we want to be heard, we have to make an effort.
Be kind to each other. I can understand Deej not wanting to engage with this community at times due to the hostility.
Prove to him we're worth the effort. Don't attack him if he responds.
He doesn't have to, but I hope he will. Let's make it worth his while and maybe, just maybe we can make things better. - Cheers.
[b]5)[/b]Hey everyone.... [b]WOW[/b]
I can see that the responses are now over 230!
All in all, that's not a staggering amount, but its more than doubled since I last looked. So thanks!
It seems the majority here agree, and I saw its also on top of the highest rating list too. (at the time of this post)
It's great to see this community coming together, not being hostile for a change, and addressing one issue. Together.
If this is a topic you and your friends always end up talking about in parties, bring up this thread.
If you agree with the need to improve this awesome game, tell your friends, and if they agree, ask them to drop by and like, bump or comment.
I'm going to persist with this, as long as I see that you guys and girls want it to keep going. And even then, I'm a bit stubborn some times.
Please Deej, or any Dev who is willing (or allowed) to talk to us... Drop me, or this thread a line... Engage with us.
Guys... Thanks for keeping on topic, and being constructive and civil. If we can show we're not a bunch of mouth breathing neckbeards, and that our concerns lie within the realm of the improvement of this awesome game... Maybe we can show that we're worth engaging with. - Cheers to all!
[b]6)[/b]As per Deej's weekly update:
[u]Feedback[/u] - "[b]Player feedback is one of the most important components of the conversation on Bungie.net[/b]. [u]Dedicated teams at Bungie survey the forums in search of support issues and development ideas[/u]. [b]Specific user-created topics that trend as a result of community interaction are more effective in providing us with that information[/b] than blog threads with thousands of competing replies."
Let's put this to the test.
[b]7)[/b]Looking through these posts it's extremely encouraging.
I've rarely seen this level of coherence and positive community spirit here. Come on Deej mate... 👉 🎤
[b]8)[/b](I'm still here)
Deej: As you can see, we have a conglomerate of people here respectfully and intelligently discussing and suggesting potential improvements to some aspects of Destiny that there's a sense of frustration over.
We're not asking for the wheel to be reinvented. We're not trying to butcher the game. We're not asking for unreasonable things.
This isn't our "baby", we didn't sit in endless meetings, think tanks, focus groups, have the joys and frustrations of design and production.
We aren't here asking for these things because we think we know better, or what the Bungie team has created for us isn't amazing. I know I and many of my friends hold this game in high regard.
Our suggestions are being made because we are passionate gamers, just like the Bungie team.
I hope we can hear from you or the Dev team soon. Whichever way it goes, knowing we are being considered does go a long way.
[b][u]To keep this trending... Please hit the like! (star)[/u][/b]
[b]Over 400 now.... Let's make it so this can't be ignored.[/b] - Cheers!
[b]9)[/b]I have a question.
Why has this thread suddenly stopped showing up in the Latest section, even immediately after receiving a post?
Why is it no longer trending all of a sudden? I've been riding this thing all day, and it just suddenly vanished (at the time of this post). There are threads with ZERO posts higher than this. Why is the same thing happening in the Highest Rated section too? Its like its been removed.
[b]10)[/b](Day 5)
Ok, so over [b]500[/b] posts now... With the majority in agreement, and still keeping it civil and constructive. Congratulations to all of you!
Let's keep bumping, liking and presenting this in a positive way.
Sorry... But I'm too invested in this now to just walk away. - Thanks for your support Guardians!
[b]11)[/b](Day 6)
Still here.... Not done yet.
[b]If you agree, if you comment or bump, please also "like" by using the[/b] 🌟
[b]12)[/b]The one about..... I'm still here.
So... Haven't played Destiny in two days now... And I love this game.
I'm becoming disillusioned with the lack of community spirit from Deej.
We've presented a fantastic discussion, and a few ideas here that are constructive in a truly positive thread. I mean come on... How often do you see this on here?
This is what I have come to understand you've been asking for Deej?
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28 Days Lat..... Um, I mean 1 week later [b](>600 posts!)[/b].
So, last Tuesday I started this thread right after the abysmal Nightfall reward fiasco.
Expect this thread to continue until we have a response. #BallsInYourCourtDeej
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Day 9 - #StillHereDeej
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Day 10 - Let's see how long this takes.
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Day 11 - Wherefore art thou Deej?
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Day 12 - [b]>700 posts![/b] ................... (Crickets)
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Day 13 - Hello!
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Day 14 - No more room for edits. Will just post below now.
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I'm just trying to start with something small here, to hopefully open up a dialogue with the Community Manager... Then, maybe, if we the community can act in a rational, positive manner, maybe our Community Manager might manage the community.
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He's only a Community Manager. He does not head the Game.
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Bump.
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Day 74: I've paused my activity on this thread until the next Omnigul Nightfall... But it seems as if materials have been taken out of the Nightfall's altogether. Which essentially makes this thread redundant. My point wasn't to eliminate materials altogether though, just to have them as an accompanying reward to the main prize. I just can't understand Bungie's train of thought. Now we have chest farming... With a pathetically low key drop rate, and an overabundance of special ammo synths dropping that cannot be deleted. How Bungie didn't see this coming is a massive, massive oversight that should have been anticipated. Yes, yes, I read the weekly update, and yes they're going to address this... But when? I absolutely love Destiny. I play it every day. I won't stop playing it, but geez guys... It seems like some rookie mistakes are being made here. My other issue is vault space... Again. With the glut of new weapons, armour, shaders, tokens, materials etc etc we're now receiving, how did they ever think what they had planned, and have given us was going to be enough? Ok, so last gen consoles have issues (which I honestly don't understand), so why not make two vaults totally separate? One at the tower and one at the reef? You can't access everything from one, they're separate and specific to each space... But hey... What do I know.
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I don't think DeeJ cares
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Bump....just got another 10 coins for a solo'd nightfall. (Facepalm) such garbage
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First time seeing this thread, did nightfall on all three of my characters on Tuesday, one exotic armor, strange coins(of which I have enough to start a bank for Xur since he doesn't ever seem to bring items I want), and my fourth patience and time. I'm amazed that with the amount of activity on this thread Deej has posted nothing. Too busy with PvP I guess, I'm running out of incentive to play this game despite how much I love playing and the group I play with. There's no reason for me to grind anymore. Once my weekly Nightfall is done I may as well be done, PoE hasn't been kind to me either. What's with the Treasure Key drop rate anyway?
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Day 66: I will persist with this until the next Omnigul Nightfall to see if anything has changed. Hope HoW is treating you all well. Cheers.
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Day 65: Bump.
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Edited by Xenomorph: 5/20/2015 1:41:27 AMDay 64: Being that HoW has just dropped, this prolly isn't that important right now... But I'm just here, continuing my Daily bump grind. Good luck with your loot drops Guardians!
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I got my 2nd ghally from nightfall 2 weeks ago what you on about , rewards are dope
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Over the last few nightfalls I've got a lot less ascendants. Instead I've got strange coins. I think between all my characters I've got between 30 or 40 in just the last 2
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Day 63: Yolo bump.
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You've been at this for two months. While I agree, I think that maybe you should think about doing this again. Collect your research up, redo this, and give it a different name. If you got to trending once, you can do it again.
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Great points.
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Day 62: Wow... This is taking a really long time huh?
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Day 61: Swag bump.
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Day 60: Bump for Radiant.
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Give Deej a break! He probably took a bunch of sick days. His eardrums were shattered last week, after all.
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Nightfalls should drop legendary and exotic weapons and armor... Nothing else.
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Edited by Enszic: 5/14/2015 11:53:46 PMDeej your the worst -blam-ing manager in the world
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Can we at least get a response on the reason ascendant materials in tdb nightfall rewards?
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How many likes does it take to get an official response?