This isn't a whining post but rather a feedback post on how the autorifle nerf wasn't too effective. As long as there are autorifles they will remain the most used class, being that in a game automatic is simply fun, bit it's at the point where every single gun can deal more damage per magazine even if they aren't upgraded than a fully upgraded auto rifle, it's quite humorous (video coming soon.) To treat this the right way you have tt like the classic Ninja VS Soldier argument, the Ninja could still kill the soldier but that is because the Ninja is far more skilled in combat than the soldier, so he could have no problem getting close with something like a sword (autorifles). But what if we replaced this soldier with a ninja, but with a gun and blade just like the soldier had? Now the original ninja is completely outclassed, and this is logic I feel like should be considered, because the game will continue to have good autorifle use, it's just the performance of those users will pale in comparison to that of the Hawkmoon users and Thorn users. The maps are also something to consider, most maps are filled with obstructions, making cover an essential part in gameplay. With the maps being full with cover, auto rifles simply can't deliver the steady stream of bullets they are supposed to, while a hawkmoon user will be able to quickly 3 shot you at all ranges, even if you are partially covered, even if you fired first. The ultimate solution to this without breaking autorifles would be simple, increased the base precision damage(Using low impact ARs moreso), this would reward players with quality aim, and because of the already existing range reductions. with this buff auto rifles would be even more focused on mid-close range rather than hoping on random headshots at range like they do now, since they suffer vs most other classes. In time, I'll post videos to this threading showing Damage per Magazine and recoil to further illustrate the point. I have noticed a certain Bungie employee stated that the opinion on ar's is 50/50, so I would love to see how everyone thinks of them now in the poll. Do you all really think in PvP, a Necrochasm could compete with a Hawkmoon?