Holy barnacles Mermaid Man! I loathe control. Just simply cannot stand it. It's the only PVP style I don't like, which in turn is the reason I stopped playing Iron Banner. I hate Iron Banner, mainly because it keeps coming back without a PVE event coming in between, but I messed up. I am getting murdered. Absolutely murdered. Grown man murdering a baby. That's how I feel going up against them in crucible now. How I wish I had a Timur's Lash or Efrideet's Spear or Gheleon's Demise or Felwinter's Lie. Just so much impact. Honestly, too much impact IMO but that's because I don't get to go around making people rage quit with them. Anyway, if you have these guns, I'm curious how they fair in both PVP and PVE. Are the crits noticeably higher? I get two and three shot by Timur's Lash and Gheleon's Demise. The spear and lie have been one-shotting me up and down. Just wondering if everyone is enjoying these weapons. I need to play some IB next time it's around. EDIT: Just wanted to say thanks to everyone for the feedback.