[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hoggs Bison [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] RC 1207 Sev [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Hoggs Bison[/quote]The reality and mission conditions are constantly shifting due to many many variables. SO yeah, you can't really nitpick your victory here...It will be a lot easier to determine if our efforts were total win or not once missions get declassified and we start seeing the larger picture. [/quote] Rebuilding a nation is not simply a military effort, though the military is one of the main tools at our disposal. The examples I used were never classified to begin with. Nor were they due to shifting conditions on the ground: we started coming up with the same strategy that we implemented before the invasion of Iraq. And yes, there are a lot of variables, which is why I'm allowing for plenty of leeway by citing broad strategy. And even when it comes to changing conditions on the ground, how long did it take us to respond to the insurgency with the troop surge? How long did it take us to rework our forward operating bases to fight a networked enemy?[/quote]Those are questions I do not have the answers to, I won't guess. Honestly though, there's more rebuilding being done in Afghanistan than Iraq at U.S. hands.