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Edited by LikeButta: 8/1/2014 9:22:48 PM
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Compiled Crucible Feedback by #1 Crucible Player

Crucible feedback is accumulated based on a combined ~160 hours PvP playtime during the beta by LikeButta (#1 in score/kills) and tripleWRECK. EDIT: Since a couple people have been commenting on it, the reference to #1 is simply based on score/kills leaderboards in the beta and is not a claim of being the best player. Thanks! Note that much of this feedback is to be used to improve Crucible in a [u]realistic[/u] manner, we do not want to affect the meta or the current state of the game greatly. Also note that some changes are meant for Bungie to consider, while others are actual balancing issues. In addition, the balancing issues are suggested to be modified slightly (not proposing huge nerfs). [u]Countering Super Abilities and the Current in-game Indicator[/u] We need some opportunity for countering, and the indicator that is currently in the game is so subtle that almost nobody knows it exists. Only one person that we've spoken to knew about the indicator and he was informed of its existence by a friend at Bungie. See examples of this glowing/flashing indicator on a player's level icon[b] [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CXfJ9t0nTg]here[/url] [/b]and [b][url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-qI0zvh8zE&feature=youtu.be&t=1m50s]here (at 1:55)[/url] [/b]. This indicator must be much more apparent, perhaps a solid yellow outline on the interior of the level icon in addition to the existing glowing/flashing effect. [u]Frequency of Super Abilities[/u] No doubt players should get fun supers during the match and “feel awesome” with Destiny's unique feel, but currently players can get them almost nonstop--especially when you factor in the orbs of light which drop for the entire team and fill your super bar so generously (16% of your super gauge each). Orbs of light also last for several minutes on the map which detracts from the importance of teamwork or coordination of supers (which we believe are the intended effects of Orbs). Furthermore, when we then take into consideration the ‘Intellect’ gear attribute which [i]further[/i] reduces the cooldown of your super, earning upwards of 10 supers in a 12 minute game seems feasible. Ideally filling your super bar should take 50% longer overall than the beta build and in addition have the orbs disappear more quickly (~20 seconds). [u]Balance of Super abilities[/u] The current state where Golden Gun activation provides no bonus effective health is great as it is meant to be activated preemptively. However, the bonus effective health of Fist of Havoc activation should be slightly toned down so that they aren’t “almost” invulnerable. Most notably, the Golden Gun should be a one-hit-kill on users activating any super (like FoH), granted they are within the one-hit-kill range and do not have an extraordinary shield. The Golden Gun has greater kill potential overall in comparison to FoH and NB, and should not feel quite so easy to use. The hit-box for the Beta Build’s Golden Gun is slightly too forgiving. [u]Grenades[/u] Vortex Grenades should be adjusted to be more in line with other subclass grenades. With a nerf to its duration and a slight nerf to its drain/damage per second, the Vortex Grenade would still remain a powerful tool for the Voidwalker subclass. [u]Hitboxes[/u] Headshot hitboxes (especially with snipers) feel slightly too large, on more than one occasion you can shoot someone in the chest and it registers as a headshot. [u]Weapon Balance[/u] Consider providing less heavy ammo for machine guns, perhaps as much as the clip-size for the gun. Also have heavy ammo that is dropped (by death of a player) on the map to disappear quicker, similar to orbs of light. Hand Cannon’s and to a lesser extent Pulse Rifles need a buff, in comparison to the scout rifle there is virtually no reason to use a HC in most cases given their low chamber size, high recoil, limited range, and long reload time (in general). It would be nice if the Hand Cannon’s were given full accuracy while jumping. The best Auto Rifles are a little too effective (especially the Shingen/Cydonia). On anything but the farthest encounters they dominate all other weapons consistently due to their extremely high RoF and accuracy/stability. The Galahad-B feels like a good representation of where ARs should be in general. [u]Map Balance[/u] Control on Mars [b]needs[/b] some tweaking in order to be a viable gametype: B and C flag are right next to each other with easy choke-points while A is on the other side of the map. Moving the heavy ammo on C side closer to the middle of the map might help prevent entire teams camping at C. Another possible solution is to have just one heavy ammo spawn on this map and locate it in the middle of the map (closer to A). Besides these easy changes with heavy ammo, a rework of control points may also prove fruitful (the devs will figure out their preferred solution if they do in fact try to fix this, no need for us to get too specific here). [u]Other[/u] Consider adding a visual indication to your teammate’s current health. Changing the level icon over a player’s head to yellow (danger/medium health) or red (critical/low health) would be a good implementation. This would aid to the team metagame and increase teamwork potential. A pregame lobby where you can view everyone’s Guardians/gear along with a map vote would be welcome. This would go better if the subsequent note about quitting (including prior to the game) is implemented into the game. Punish players who quit in some capacity. Leaving a match via returning to orbit does not count your stats and was already being abused by stat-obsessors. A temporary ban and/or mark on players’ stats would provide good incentive to stay in the match. Punishment for any playlists with greater competitive nature should be increased to a negation of rank/points/etc. Consider adding subtle audio-cues when your melee and grenades finish cooling down. Add private games with the amount of customization Bungie is known for (including the options to turn off different types of gear upgrades and special/heavy ammo customization). Add a spectator mode so Destiny can become a premier competitive title. Add a [b]skill-ranking system[/b], at least as one or more specific playlists (ala Halo at its best). This would help players looking for games where winning is the main priority, quitting is rare (punishable), matchmaking balance is more precise, and clear rewards for performance and improvement are given to increase PvP longevity.
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  • [url]http://i.imgur.com/sZrxJPZ.png[/url] Whats this? [spoiler]Im just screwing around[/spoiler]
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  • Edited by Sacred: 8/7/2014 1:33:13 AM
    While I hate defense bonuses in fps games like titans super I must admit without it the titan would have the weakest super of the bunch. That said I would ideally like the defense boost removed and the super buffed in some other way. Besides, the trait for the defense feels like a crutch when it should only be one of many viable options.
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    • Edited by TwoPieceSpecial : 8/9/2014 4:27:49 PM
      Agree with everything but the grenades and supers everyone hates on the warlock he had a skill to make it last longer. Maybe we should all throw rainbow grenades that turn people into skittles. If people get killed by it to much because they wont move doesn't mean it OP
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    • a pre game lobby would be handy. they could have a mute button and allow for load out changes etc. what where bungie thinking? their lobbies have always been amazing.
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    • In line with LuckyCharms reply, but I would prefer a buff to hunter grenades over nerfs to warlocks. Titans feels right mars needs balancing. I would like to emphasize the OPs last paragraph about modifications to increase PVP longevity. Those are some great ideas.
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    • You make a lot of good points, disregard the negative posts about being #1. Stats talk for themselves.
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      • Hey man, great video to show what a good fps player looks like. Kotaku even featured you on their homepage. They're basically baffled by how good you are, just because nobody knows what even a decent player of a proper fps looks like. I think it's hilarious but kinda sad since they think you're so good you're using a mouse and keyboard. People need to watch the old Halo 2 MLG championships and realize that console fps games, if made proper, can be insane.
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      • I personally however found that I liked the iron banner much better than the crucible, at lease for the beta, it was jut interesting to me to have no restrictions and just go at it with what ever gear and weapons you had with no handicaps
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      • "Consider adding subtle audio-cues when your melee and grenades finish cooling down." I was thinking this was needed as well. Often both are full and I did not realize it. Great video BTW thank you for sharing.
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      • I'm better then you nananabobooo stick your head in dodo
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        • Took the words right out of my mouth. You covered almost everything that needed to be said in regards to multiplayer.
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        • Also we need a gun range in the tower. I want to use that new gun i got decoded or bought but i have to site through 2 loading screens just to get to try it.
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        • Hey dude, mad respect for your game in crucible. Love to see other very competitive fps players like myself, and I can't argue with u, lol u might just be better than me (hurts to say that). I can't actually agree to EVERYTHING u posted, but I want to. It's because I haven't tested everything like u have, but being so competitive I noticed ALOT of what u mentioned. I loved ur montage btw! I myself made a feedback post on this forum but absolutely no visibility, how'd u get this so noticed? Seriously though, add me, would love to build a great team or just join yours if u have one. Take a look at my post if u can and thx again for testing legitimately!
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        • I agree with you on everything but the super indicator it should be a surprise it makes the game more interesting
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        • I haven't signed into Bungie.net for years, but your excellent post has required me to do so to say thank you for posting constructive, helpful criticism. I agree with everything, and learned something (Super indicator, wahh? I would have stayed away from those guys).
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        • Yeah the ability to vote for a map would be a great thing. I got tired of going to the moon 20 matches in a row
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        • Great post! I also would very much like to see Bungie go back to their roots by adding a skill-ranking system. However I personally believe the days of having this type of system have come and gone. The competitive atmosphere in the gaming community has been stricken by the social "every wins a ribbon" community. Those of us who remember past Halo to the days of Myth can recall Bungie once held it's own when it came to skill based ranking. Bungie was once bold and stood by its belief that competitive gaming creates longevity. Today, sold content in the form of DLC is considered the new model for expanded game play. The carrot changed and we now pay for it.
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          • I disagree with the grenades x j its one of warlocks good points. Plus ppl would already just run through them, nerfing them would make them pointless, i feel like titans grenades were good as is (was) but i felt like if anything needed to happen with grenades it was the hunters needed an improvement. Also we only had access to lvl 8, all these adjustments might wreck the game once the higher levels are accessible. Just saying.
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          • Great post, very well thought out. I agree ars need to be far less accurate (eliminate most domination with headshots at close range. Hand cannons IMO have no use in pvp, unless they become equitable or greater than scout rifles in damage with some Quick reload times. I would not like to see a visual indication of team mate health as this will cater to casuals. Plus I won't be able to say "help I'm one shot".
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            • There should at least be like a warning maybe have someone voice something like, "be careful the other teams got a super" or "look put its a super" you without even saying or announcing who exactly.
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            • Finally actual feedback... Best post I've read so far and coming from someone who actually played pvp and did it well... I agree with many of the points above and my by far favorite is the skilled ranking structure... Oh how I've missed it from the good old days...
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              • I think you got some valid points here. The HC buff for aerial combat is an interesting take I haven't seen mentioned around here yet, and the frequency of the supers is definitely an issue needing the nerf bomb.
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              • Edited by xShadow125: 8/5/2014 10:47:29 PM
                I'd agree with everything except the last two auto rifles being too OP. They weren't ridiculously OP, they were just better than most guns that need a buff like you mentioned, once they get the buff it should be fine, and those guns will be irrelevant and will likely stay like this once the actual full game releases and better guns start getting unlocked.
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              • Very accurate and unbiased portrayal of pvp at lvl 8. Good post sir. While I do agree we may have a whole different set of issues come 20, (and beyond), this is great feedback. I came to many of the same conclusions although quitting players should be differentiated from disconnected players. I noticed that players that lagged through a game seemed to be a persistent pain and have a moderate advantage that could cause players to want to exploit that mechanic. I would prefer that players with a bad connection be removed from the pvp lobby when it is persistent. A minimum connection rating that allows for short intermittent drops here and there would be nice. I also noticed that matchmaking would sometimes hang and start you with half a team, and not fill those spots throughout the duration of the match. It seems unlikely that those spots had no guardian queued to fill them so they may need to tweak games that are under-manned to have a higher priority for placement. Thanks for the post!
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              • Thank you for this.
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              • I agree with pretty much everything the TC said. A lot of people here getting butthurt because he has a lot of game time and/or hes a very good competitive fps player. You should look at it in the light that he has a extensive insight into competitive fps games and this game itself compared to most other players. Imo pretty much all of these suggestions would improve the game.
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