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Edited by dazarobbo: 6/7/2013 7:57:18 AM
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I'm sorry for a religious thread but..

It's 1:47(loltimezones) it's not like you HAVE to be a part of this thread but I have a few questions. Whenever I ask who created God I'm always answered with "Well God exists outside of time and is omnipotent and omniscient." Or something along those lines. But then this makes me wonder since God knows everything in existence ever he would have known Satan would tempt humans into committing sin. Why would he not create Satan? So basically God knew what he was doing and made humans just to doom them? Is God an egotistical asshat douchebag or am I missing something and God isn't omnipotent at all? P.S I know God's not a he but whatever.

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  • Trick question...he doesnt exist

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  • He created us in his image and gave us the option to love him so that it would be true love. Because if he made us and then forced him to love us, that's not true love! And yes no one can answer how god was made, but that's why it's called faith! Everyone needs faith.

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    • Praise Lord Helix, for his son hath fainted for our sins.

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      • Stop thinking about silly fictional beings and turn your praise to Shrek. Shrek is love. Shrek is life.

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        • Satan doesn't exist. Satan is a symbol of sin. That wasn't Satan tempting Jesus in the desert, it was Jesus's natural human sin tempting him to use his gift to benefit himself. If we weren't capable of being "Satan" then we would truly have no free will.

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        • There's a simple answer to your question. AIDS.

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        • Unless he also knew what was inevitable. What if he destroyed Satan and some other angel took Satans place sometime down the pipeline. Is it silly to think that only Satan would have rebelled? In the end how much respect would you have for god if he were to just destroy anything that opposes him rather than going through a system of justice. This is what I see. Letting Satan rule earth gives benefits both to the justice system and humans. Satan gets to try to prove his point that humans dont need god and only serve him simply because he gives us shit. It also benefits humans because we learn a very valuable lesson that humans need a ruler with unified laws. We obviously cant rule ourselves. This is all obviously speculative but as an agnostic I try to put reason to a system that seems chaotic.

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        • There is no such thing as a God.

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        • Edited by Pendulate: 4/12/2014 2:30:22 AM
          Nvm I didn't read the OP carefully. God made humans to test them. How the events before that transpired I am uncertain.

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        • God created Lucifier The world created The Devil

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        • >logic >omnipotence Pick one.

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          • #necrobumps

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          • We already know that if God were to exist he is either: 1. Not omnipotent or 2. Malevolent

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            • Well, in older texts normally regarded as false, there is a lot more to it...basically a super god, Jesus practically being the first marvel character(Infancies), blah blah Christianity just picks and chooses what is and isn't true. Such as Jesus having been said to -blam!- the absolute shit of Mary Magdalene and had a wife...probably her. It might be a true religion, it might be the real one, but anyone with a brain will tell you that it is severely corrupt, and has been for over a thousand years. The devil giving us freedom...Sins being seemingly planned by God... Too fishy for me. If it's real, the orginal word is now gone and changed by the evil of man to control us. We must either disregrad our faith or search for the truth. Omnipotence isn't even possible...(ironic)

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              • Actually, those are very good questions, this is one of the better religious posts in a while lol. Basically, it's like this: As a theist, I believe that the order I can see and feel around me is a sign of purpose, and I think that purpose transcends what I can immediately see and touch. I have absolutely no idea who this God is, what he looks like, if he's a he or if that's just a term we use to liken him to a biological male leader, I don't know if it's all just aliens or space fairies or teletubbies. It's something I just can't answer. As for the evil, I always think of it in terms of not being able to have light without dark. In order for order to arise, there has to be emptiness or chaos or darkness, otherwise it would be impossible to perceive many things, and we'd be dumb little chickens.

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              • The One Above All retreated from his creation once it was done, he left his servant the Living Tribunal to guard and protect creation but to never intervene just to judge it. The Gods as you mortals know them are the ones who protect and intervene in the mortal affairs of man.

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              • I like the idea of God and an afterlife. I suggest God created Satan knowing he would corrupt part of humanity. Somebody had to be the bad guy I guess lol

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              • Edited by Menacing Venom: 4/11/2014 8:32:55 AM
                If everything is part of a divine plan, isn't praying for change just arguing with God? (I don't believe in anything, I just find that really odd)

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              • I have a question for you, what created the God Particle?

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                • Edited by Bolt: 4/11/2014 2:30:56 AM
                  So shiggy diggy this: Regardless of what we actually think about God, most of us would agree that it certainly wouldn't be all that bad if there were a God (yes, there are issues with some of the specifics laid out by various doctrines, but please hear me out). Having a being more powerful than anything else in the universe looking out for you seems like a pretty good deal. Now many have pointed to this as evidence that a belief in God is simply wishful thinking. Assuming that it is, what does this say about ourselves? I think it says that a great deal of us wish there were a God. Throughout modern human history we've propped up a number of governments and social structures that fill the roles (governing our lives and the lives of others) that many religions claim their God holds. In even more modern history, our pursuit of artificial intelligence (with the goal of making an intelligence more powerful and durable than our own some would argue) with the knowledge of the possibility of a technological singularity seems to suggest that this interest is still alive. So what's this mean going forward? Should we preserve this aspect of our humanity, then as we continue to develop technologically, we may turn our technology towards building our oldest dream. Now some would say that we'd more likely want to become God, but to be the ultimate arbiter of reality doesn't really seem like a position any human would want; any relevance or meaning to your actions would be up to you. Freedom from absolutely everything means a pointless existence unless you create one (so maybe we're the point that a God is trying to bring to its existence). Regardless, if we built something like God, it wouldn't be very human anymore anyways; even if it were based on one of us. As it stands, we may build something like this long before we develop the technology to control reality. But if what we develop develops this technology, and it still holds some of our values, then it would be as God. If this being can move through our concept of time and space at whim, then it "already" may exist in the sense that it can reach us. It's been said before that man invented God, but the reality may be much more literal than that statement implies. And even if we perish before reaching this technology, it would still be possible that other beings wouldn't. If you accept the notion of the multiverse theory, then there may be an infinite number of chances for this to happen. In the end, it could very well be atheistic scientific genius that built God.

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                • "I'm sorry for doing exactly what I'm doing, but not sorry enough to forgo actually doing it."

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                • Edited by Locus: 3/15/2014 7:18:27 AM
                  Free will. He didn't want robots. God is a he because he is the Father the son and the Holy Ghost. These three are one. And don't even joke about God being any of those things. God doesn't doom humans he loves them all even the unsaved. Now God is not one big kiss "He is a man of war The Lord is his name." He cares about all souls. He sees into the future and knows who will be saved or not. If something changes in an unsaved persons life and he or she is convicted of their sin then God can see that too.

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                  • I think that it was to give humans real choice. If there is no temptation to test, you how do you know that they choose to do good. Free will is useless if your choices are do good or do good.

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                    • As to whether god is omnipotent or not the belief in my Anglican Church at least is that god limits his own power by giving us free will and what not out of love for us.

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                    • So the perfectly valid point was that if god knows everything, he must have known people would sin and go to hell. Which he must not want because he "loves everyone". Why even have a hell?

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                    • "God is beyond our comprehension...but that hurricane was totally him being upset about the gays!"

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