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Edited by Spiritus Phoenix: 5/18/2013 1:23:38 AM
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The Dark Army: Clues & Theories, Pt. 1

[i]For additional theory updates, check out[/i] [url=http://www.bungie.net/7_The-Dark-Army-Clues-amp-Theories-Pt-2/en-us/Forum/Post?id=60448346]part 2[/url]. Yo peeps! I've been doing some thinking in regards to the "dark army", and I hope my ideas will spark more ideas from the beautiful 7th Column community (das you!). Early after Bungie's establishment of the Destiny setting, they embarked on the task of enemy design. Chris Barret, the art director, drew up [url=http://i1145.photobucket.com/albums/o507/Charles_McPhersonvillecharles/FiveConceptAlienRacesMoodboard_zps322222b6.jpg]this enemy "Moodboard"[/url] to spark those ideas. Remember it? If you haven't watched their presentation at the GDC Conference, do it!! Notice there were 5 initial concepts for enemies. The first 4 have developed into the Vex, the Fallen, the Cabal, and the Hive. They didn't drop the 5th race, they simply haven't talked about it. They said they weren't allowed to yet. The secrecy they have held in regards to the 5th Race tell me they play a big role in the story. Here's what we know: At the GDC Conference, Joe Staten said the following: [quote]"Imagine you're exploring an abandoned moon-base, and you start to notice fissures in the ground, that are flickering with strange lights and seeping gases. And then imagine following one of these fissures and coming upin a giant alien 'hell-mouth' cracking the lunar surface. And then imagine taking a trecherous path that leads you even deeper, into the heart of a [b]hidden[/b] fortress, where a [b]dark army dreams of conquest and corruption[/b]....But I'm..[b]not allowed to talk about that yet[/b]."[/quote] These are the images he showed during that point of the presentation: [url=http://www.bungie.net/pubassets/615/ocean_of_storms_desktop.jpg]Moonbase, w/ emphasis on moon damage[/url]. [url=http://www.bungie.net/pubassets/615/hellmouth_desktop.jpg]Hellmouth[/url]. [url=http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130330083053/destinypedia/images/3/32/Hellmouth_Fortress.jpg]Heart of the fortress[/url]. Now I'd like to take you back a moment and remember what was said in the initial reveal. [quote]"Something hit us...knocked us down and tried to stamp us out. Nobody knows exactly what..."[/quote] Now see how the narrarator continues. This is very important: [quote]"And now we've begun to venture back into the wild, only to find that we're not alone. Strange and deadly creatures have occupied our old worlds."[/quote] The Guardians--us...humankind... is aware of the Vex, Fallen, Cabal, and Hive. Since he said nobody knows what it was that took us out, there is a race we know nothing about. They attacked us before any of the other races moved into our solar system. This is where my theory comes in: [b][THEORY][/b] The Traveler fought them off and saved us, nearly destroying them. A remnant of them survived, and went into hiding so they could rebuild their army. They were making a direct attack on earth, our motherplanet, and when the Travler descended on them, they severely damaged its underside but it ultimately hurt them enough that the ones that survived fled directly into the closest possible hiding place: our Moon. They plunged into the depths of the Moon, shattering its surface. Inside, they have been rebuilding their forces, preparing to arise and destroy the Traveler and take what they almost gained once and for all. [b][EVIDENCE][/b] Remember that enemy moodboard? Notce that their iconic shape used for the inspiration of their race is a triangle. Bungie showed us these "[url=http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130331073137/destinypedia/images/thumb/b/bb/Onyx_pyramid_ships.jpeg/640px-Onyx_pyramid_ships.jpeg]giant onyx pyramid ships[/url]" (notice the destruction on the ship). Here is another image that seems to hold to the basic appearance and architecture of the other image showing the inside of the Moon fortress, and contains some basic angular shapes and triangles throughout its design: [url=http://www.bungie.net/pubassets/912/bridge_of_chains_desktop.jpg]Unnamed, mysterious fotress and/or factory[/url] Remember another thing about the moodboard: Half of the poster was covered in a black smoke. This may be represented by their industrial fortress as they devote their resources to building up their army. Aslo, recall that Staten said the Moon has fissures of light and "seeping gases". Lastly on the moodboard, I'd like to point out the color theme for that race: yellow and black. Look at the images. 'Nuff said. There's a couple last things to bring up in regards to the mysterious 5th Race. Read a quote from [url=http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/02/17/bungies-destiny-a-land-of-hope-and-dreams]this article from IGN[/url] a while back: [quote]"The two of them are now three, and the trio plumbs the depths of the Dust Palace, reaches Charlemagne’s Vault, and Staten scores a new pistol. Like the Huntress’s sidearm, it too has a custom name: “Thorn,” a fitting description for a 45-caliber hand cannon"[/quote] The Dust Palace is located in the exclusion zone on Mars, which is Cabal-held territory. Thorn, however, is clearly not a Cabal weapon, as it was shown and pointed out by name during the GDC Conference. [url=http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130329073110/destinypedia/images/6/61/Thorn.jpg]"Thorn"[/url] Notice the look of that pistol. It is clearly not reminiscent of anythin we've seen from the Vex, Fallen, Cabal, or Hive. Instead It appears to match the dark, angular style of the previous images. Notice how the front base of the gun resembles the elongated pyramid shape of the ships shown earlier, and features small, angular yet chaotic points across the entire weapon, and it appears to be made of the same "onyx" material. Also, when the narrarator in the initial reveal says the tried to destroy us, [url=http://cdn.idigitaltimes.com/data/images/full/2013/02/17/5731.jpg]this image[/url] is shown. That object fits the theme as well. This mesh of organic and geometric fits the style of the inspiration images Bungie showed at the conference, and is present in all the images I've compiled. The presence of a 5th Race pistol in Cabal territory further supports my theory that the 5th Race once owned this solar system, and when it moved onto earth, it disappeared after its defeat by the Traveler, and other races moved in on their territory afterward. The last thing is that the Moon has been abandoned and labeled as a dangerous "Forbidden Zone". And I think it's because they are terrified that some of this species survived, and don't want to face it without the protection of the Traveler back at home. Welp, that concudes my thoughts about the mysterious 5th Race. Everyone please add your own ideas, corrections, etc. I'll edit this if more comes to mind. Peace! and God bless. - Siff
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  • This is very interesting stuff that you came up with over a year before release. I wonder if Bungie will revive this fifth race... I noticed you also mentioned you don't follow this stuff, but it's always great to read the lore. I've always wondered about Thorn. It's supposed to be related to the Hive...but it looks to "refined" to be...
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    • Edited by Stalwart: 5/16/2013 6:40:03 PM
      ENCORE ENCORE! But really, I want to hear more! ;) well done, Mr. Warghost. It's already been brought a couple times, but I thought it would be worth posting the above image. First off, the image name is "dark patrol." See the smoke coming off or dust or whatever, coming off the various enemies? The ethereal glow in their eyes? I think the dark smoke seen in the Moodboard is actually the alien itself. You see the forms of all the other enemies in the Moodboard, simplistic or blurred/faded as they are. So where is the fifth race? It IS the smoke. And to address the point brought up by Your MOM is MC: Glimmer would make sense based on the characterization of the fifth race in the glow of the eyes of the possessed enemies and in slight glimmers in the dust.
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      • I also believe there is definitely a fifth enemy race, Bungie pulled a fast one in halo c.e. With the flood, they'll do it again... I love Bungie
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      • Despite the fact that it's been confirmed that the hell mouth belongs to the Hive, there's always the possibility that the Hive are related somehow to the dark army. Perhaps as peons or cannon fodder produced by the army using the corpses of fallen foes.
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      • Giving this a well deserved necrobump. Now that we are closer to a full reveal… let our imaginations and speculation begin...
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      • A very good analysis sir! What you say is honestly the most believable, and I think you're onto something. I personally didn't give it much thought, but you have intrigued me deeply...
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      • Everything that you say about the darkness on the moon is wrong. Everything on or in the moon is the hive.
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        • They should be on Pluto secretly building mass weapons of destruction that should be the DLC.
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          the hive is the dark army. they made the hell mouth. i dont think they are space zombies. i think their souls rip out and find new bodies like fallen.
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        • INTERESTING...
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        • What if the army that tried to stamp us out was just other humans?
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          • Very nice stuff, I notice on the moon base concept art, the one entitled "Heart of the Fortress", that there is a single figure centered under the orb in the light. It now intrigues me because you showed the "Glimmer" picture "Unknown creature #1". I noticed the similar hunched shape and wide arms, the Moodboard also helped seal the deal when I first saw the GDC concept art with Onyx Pyramids. Also one last thing, my emblem or profile pic is a yellow and black eye, which i picked because the other pics you can choose from on the same page are ones that would correspond to the enemy races from the Moodboard. There was one I'm sure for each race. Except the unknown 5th. Hopes this sheds some light.
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            • Hey come check out our pre-destiny clan!! Here's the link: http://vanguardians.enjin.com/home We welcome you with open arms! Please make sure to give a shout out to Corrosive Honor for getting you there! Chancellors names appear in red on the site so feel free to ask them any questions you may have!
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            • Glimmer has been confirmed to be a resource, not the alien race, so there is more to be discovered I guess
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              • Your theory is so convincing .......we shall so see on June 10th hopefully
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              • Remember though, there might not be any such thing as the Glimmer. Who knows. Don't get your hopes up...not saying that there isn't, you have a lot of proof but I don't want you to be disappointed.
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                • Very interesting theory. Hopefully next week will shed a little bit more light.
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                  • GLIMMER IS THE SMOKE MONSTER FROM LOST!!!
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                    Can someone tell me who this guy is?
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                    • Your idea makes a lot of sense, but some of it seems like the work of the hive. Like the giant spike through the building.
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                    • I think that the Glimmer is the smoke that's always present in the pictures. They're called Glimmer because when you look into the smoke you see a small, twinkling, GLIMMER of light. The light draws in its prey until your feeble mind succumbs to the invasive cloud. And that's the light that the Cabal and Fallen emit in the concept art. When someone inhales the smoke, it fills their body and then their brain is overtaken by the GLIMMER of light. The Glimmer can also take the form of humans and other species and that's how they annihilate races so quickly. They slowly SEEP themselves into society as regular people until they receive their orders and strike.Why do you think we don't know what hit us, what tried to stamp us out? Because it came from within. The Glimmer didn't even have to make most of their own bodies, they put themselves in cigarettes. We invaded ourselves. Soon they had a human army beyond numbering PLUS their other soldiers in space and orbit. We didn't understand what we were fighting because it was US.
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                      • Edited by Carlo: 6/2/2013 1:17:58 AM
                        In "this image", if you look in the lower left hand corner you see the green mist. The same mist that you see with the image of the hive.
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                      • to me... it makes perfect sense! nice conclusion my friend, you should become a detective!
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                      • I think Thorn is a human weapon. The vidoc mentions that the humans' empire spanned the solar system, so it would make sense to find human relics on the different planets.
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                      • The dark army look infected to me. I mean look, they don't have any guns. I think there hive infected.
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                      • a very intriguing theory.
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