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Edited by Aer:
10/23/2020 12:45:02 AM
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Locking adept weapons behind flawless cards might actually be the decision that finally chases me off from Destiny 2. I've played every expansion and enjoy every activity, but trials is awful. Until you actually ban accounts that use recoveries and the players that sell them, the vast majority of trials participants won't ever see an adept weapon unless they are pathetic enough to pay for one. This is actually mindbogglingly bad game design, and I don't think I'd like to pay for that. I honestly thought you were better than this Bungie.
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don't play trials then? and wait for strike adept weapons
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Giving players objectively better guns and gear makes them want to do end game content like Trials and raids. That's how this game has always worked with the exception of vanilla D2. If you don't wanna put in the time to grind them, then STFU and let the people who want to actually work for them do it.
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OP was more complaining about adepts weapons being locked behind cheater and recov. If you're fine with that, well... [quote] Until you actually ban accounts that use recoveries and the players that sell them,[/quote]
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Bungie just gave a C&D to the biggest cheat developer. So that doesn't hold water. And there is nothing wrong with someone carrying you to the Lighthouse imo as long as you are playing with them. AKA them not being on your account.
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[quote]Bungie just gave a C&D to the biggest cheat developer. So that doesn't hold water[/quote] Yeah, [i]just this week[/i], so old you breath a few more weeks to be sure it has done something, then you may judge if it's hold water or not. And again, OP was talking about recoveries, and you talk about carries. Their are (economically) widely different - 3 skilled players can make 3 recovs at the same times, but only 1 carry. But I'm still glad that there is something for [i]actual good player[/i] to chase in trial, because it's not like a raid where anybody can look at the strats two days after the release of the raid on youtube, finish it and think they are PVE god and then do again and again again the same mechanics.
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Adept weapons are back because people have been asking for them. They were in D1. Incentivising people to play high level activities isn’t bad design, it’s rewarding players for investing their time at getting better at the game. By your logic, raids shouldn’t drop the best gear either. The only semblance of logic to this argument is that Bungie need to do more to address cheaters and to that, I agree. It’s worth noting that they have just taken legal action against two sites offering aimbot (and other) mods causing those sites to be permanently shut down.
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Raids drop shit gear what are you talking about. When was the last raid weapon outside of maybe an exotic anything anyone MUST have?
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And that needs to change but the trials weapons aren’t that great either. With the exception of maybe Summoner which is now getting a nerf. The adept weapons get a +3 bonus, it’s not going to make much difference. Relax!
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Ancient gospel, omniscient eye, threat level, nation of beasts, the supremacy, alone as a god, midnight coup, inaugural address. Not every raid gun is a winner but there are some really good ones.
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really good ones are not sought after like Spare rations, beloved, mountain top, recluse, etc need I go on? When were any of those mentions MUST HAVES.
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Threat level was absolutely sought after, as was midnight coup back in their time. Threat level was one of two trench barrel shotguns, and genuinely the better option of the two. And all the other weapons were just pretty good, with most of them only really being good picks in pvp, but the fact is that raids have had really good loot.
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Edited by High Noon at Jötunn Saloon: 10/23/2020 3:29:37 AMWithout carries/recoveries, pvp streamers wouldn't exist, nobody would play because the tryhards just sit in there all weekend...but whatever the adepts really dont sound like anything you'd need for PVE, which is hopefully true and hopefully a step in the right direction. no more forced to play pvp to get pve meta weapons like Mountaintop and Recluse.
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You can't ban accounts that do recoveries. A prominent figure in Destiny leadership got a very special title in WoW by having people log into his character and play for him while he was asleep. If we ban for account recoveries, we have to acknowledge that he's a cheat as well and that someone who cheats at games with competitive elements has a heavy hand in Destiny decision making.
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YES BAN THE guy/girl doing this. Its not right, ethical or morally acceptable. Paid carries are against the EUA, recoveries are against the EUA, data manipulation is against the EUA etc.. Time they start honoring the agreement we all agreed to. If its against the rules and those of us following those rules are getting stomped on by those not following bungie is in breach of fulfilling the contract.
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Edited by Snowfire: 10/30/2020 9:53:02 PMUh, how exactly are paid carries against the EULA? If you are paying someone to help you, and you are playing with them, and no one on your team is cheating, then there isn't anything for Bungie to punish. It would be too hard to hold up in court. That would be like banning people who buy a controller that has paddle buttons underneath the controller that you can assign, so you can jump easier. Or banning people who can make a macro on their keyboard that can auto jump your character in a firewalled Haunted Forest so you don't go AFK. In both examples, you had to pay to get an advantage over people who don't have those things, but no one considers those things as cheating or against the EULA. You also have to pay streamers to play raids/Trials with them (usually by at least subscribing to them, or spending some currency that you get by watching their streams). You telling me Bungie is going to come after money that streamers are making legally? I don't think so.
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No wonder this game is such a mess.
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But...that's always been a thing.
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Yeah, I'm just a bit salty that adept weapons will actually be head and shoulders improvements, but that's on me.
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I mean, not by much. It sounds like it's just gonna be in stat increases, which often wont matter all that much. Its perks that make a weapon good, stats usually just go to make it feel more consistent. It really all comes down to the adept mods. Those need to be balanced well. Too big of a stat increase and it WILL start to matter.
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Is there a way for Bungie to track who has their account recovered? Genuinely curious, not trying to be an ass lol
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No you're good, it's admittedly tough to do, I'm assuming it would require a combination of IP address monitoring and activity tracking.
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I hate to break it to you... big adept weapons have always been “locked” behind flawless. I hate to be this guy... but maybe get good?
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You can't really tell someone to get good when your a 0.45kd in trials, zero flawless, spent over 24 hours playing trials and only had 9 kills. You've been carried hard in survival or had someone play your account too. Don't be that guy on the forums giving out the "get gud" advice.
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I don’t know what stats you’re looking at, but I have more than 9 kills in trials. Also, I’m not the one complaining. I know I’ll never get flawless, but the people that do should be rewarded.
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You have 869 assists, 9 actual kills. (That nobody has landed a shot on)
