Once again you do what the BDF always does, distorting the truth. Not long ago the numbers you are talking about were some of the lowest EVER! The reason this game was given out already TWICE for free on digital stores! The number of players currently playing increased exactly right AFTER it was given out for free the second time! Trust me, i know, as i followed these numbers often. So please, don't spread wrong facts. Also, i guess we all would be better believing Activi, rather than a forum BDF member's personal accusations.

lol try the EXACT opposite Activision admitted that Forsaken sales underperformed relative to prior sales in the series AND they admitted that player engagement has gone down in Forsaken nice try buddy, but no nobody seems to like the increased RNG, grindiness, and lower drop rates of Forsaken. Except for a hardcore minority that doesn't seem to bring enough money to make a difference.

https://destinytracker.com/ Someone's got their numbers wrong. Destiny tracker gets their numbers directly from Bungie with respect to player engagement. As far as sales go, sales get evaluated according to PROJECTIONS....not whether or not those expectations were reasonable. ...and expecting Destiny to just roll on and continue to grow as if nothing happened last year was almost childishly unreasonable. Vanilla Destiny 2 was one of the most catastrophically misguided efforts to RE-BRAND a product in the last 30 years. The last effort to re-brand a product that went this badly...and forced a major corporation to backpedal and roll-back the product changes in their entirety...... ....and "New Coke" back in 1985. The consquences of that catastrophic mismanagement were not reflected in last years numbers. They were goin to be reflected in THIS YEARS numbers... ...and expecting Bungie and Forsaken to do anything other than what they did-----To right a sinking ship of a franchise, and re-establish the player base----is unreasonable to the point of absurdity. Like I said below, it was NO coincidence that Eric Hirshberg left as Activision CEO last year. He was getting out of town before the consequences of some of what were almost certainly bad decisions on his part, came home to roost. Well, now they're home.....and in typical corporate fashion these days.....the man responsible took off before they arrived.

watch this video so you can educate yourself a bit about D2

I know more about this game than some people who earn their living with it.

I want to remind you that you know crap and that you NEVER EVER EVER did ANYTHING for the better of the game! While many people, me included, were fighting for the better of the game, fighting EV, fighting for more and meaningful content, all you did was brownnosing and defend Bungie whereever you could! So, again, you know crap! All you know is what you see through your pink BDF glasses, so don't act like you the s***, as i lmao when reading your crap! Don't forget to thank us for the game that you enjoy today! As if it would have been for you, it would still be low a** crap! Just a reminder and hope you never forget again. Big bro's watching^^

So you want to remind me that baseless assertions, name-calling and posturing are all you've got? Check. Message received. Now I'm going to go back to have a fact-based conversation with the other people on the thread......

Yes, do what you feel like. I just said what needed to be said ,)

Yep. ...and I gave it all the consideration it warranted.... [i]...none. [/i]

Doesn't matter. I'm done.

Tell the YouTuber to educate themselves on creating an thumbnail; and Destiny 2.

this youtuber doesnt give a crap about stetics and opinions, he delivers facts and numbers... but if you preffer a coloring book I can refer you to my kid's preschool XD

Kelly, I almost always agree with you, but the evidence is against you this time. Activision says D2 is a disappointment. Sure, Forsaken sold well in September (and it's fantastic!). But it's not drawing in the broken fandom as much as Activision expected. We don't really know what Activision means by this. Does it mean that it's a failure? Maybe. Does it just mean it made money, but not as much as expected? Could be. All we know is that Activision is disappointed, and it's reflected on their earnings call. It's going to take time to put the fandom back together. Bungie's response to the worst sequel ever made was way too slow and way too insulting. It took them a year to fix that boring dumpster fire of a game. It might take more than a year for the fans to trust the companies that made that dung ball and laughed at us for not liking it.

[quote]But it's not drawing in the broken fandom as much as Activision expected.[/quote] ...and that expectation was not realistic. All that being a "disappointment" means is that the Forsaken failed to meet Activision's expectations. It says nothing about whether or not those expectations were reasonable under the circumstances. Considering that vanilla D2 was a failed re-branding of the game that violated a major trust that the consumers of the game had given Bungie...expecting to aggressively GROW the game with this DLC was unreasonable. It may grow OVER TIME, as that trust is rebuilt. But to expect the consumer base to just say "Hey lets just let bygones be bygones" was never goin to happen. [quote]We don't really know what Activision means by this. [/quote] Oh yeah we do. You just have to be able to parse the corporate-speak, and understand how publicly-owned companies are run. They are slaves to "Wall Street Expectations". Which in this case means a certain projected growth in the sales, profits, and the value of the company....which then gets reflected in the value of Activision stock. Activision was clearly expecting Forsaken to be a certain part of that growth....but the reality is that the decisions that were made in handling the game last year DAMAGED the brand. That damage was not reflected LAST YEARS sales numbers. THEY ARE BEING REFLECTED NOW...and Activision was being unrealistic in not expecting that there would be consequences for last year's mismanagement. Like I said....it was NO coincidence that the CEO who was likely behind a good deal of that mismanagement choose last year to step down...and get out before the "bill" came due. [quote]Bungie's response to the worst sequel ever made was way too slow and way too insulting. It took them a year to fix that boring dumpster fire of a game.[/quote] No. The response was the only response POSSIBLE. Destiny 2 was a nearly CATASTROPHIC esample of brand mismanagement. Destiny 2 was almost certainly a failed attempt to RE-BRAND the Destinty franchise into a game that Activision could turn into an e-sport....and that would allow Activision to "double-dip" in terms of generating revenue for both home sales....and e-sports. Activision owns Major League Gaming....and EVERY Activision Blizzard property that has PVP has an e-sports presence. So I'd be SHOCKED if Destiny 2 wasn't an effort to leverage interest in the Crucible....and the popularity of Trials on Twitch....into a game that could become an e-sport. The only problem is that the community REJECTED this because the majority of the player base are RPG gamers who play this game as a loot-based RPG....and not shooter gamers looking for the next Halo or Overwatch. So all the change that were made to Destiny 2 that were tying to make it "e-sport friendly" (fixed rolls, bland basic weapons, badly nerfed abilities, 4v4 PVP) only succeeded in BREAKING the game for how the majority of the player base saw the game....and wanted to play it. So they had to be rolled back, and the game basically REDESIGNED....while people were still PLAYING IT every day. The software equivalent of trying to fix a house built on a cracked and uneven foundation. By LIFTING THE HOUSE UP OFF of that foundation......POURING A NEW ONE.......and laying the house back down on the new foundation..... ...while people are still LIVING in the house. No small feat...and not something that can be done quickly or easily.

https://kotaku.com/activision-says-its-not-happy-with-destinys-sales-1830322804 Um, Activision obviously thinks you're wrong. Stop being such a Bungie apologist, it's just sad at this point.

Stop being a sad troll who just loves to suck of Activision. I bet you ever work for them given how much you're whiteknighting and hating on Destiny. Pathetic inhuman twit.