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4/9/2018 1:22:48 AM
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An open letter to Bungie

Dear Bungie, Before I begin my preface, I would like to express the biggest point I am trying to make in this letter to you, Bungie. Just because I am posting this letter to Reddit r/DestinyTheGame and the destiny forums does not invalidate my opinions, and neither does my young age of 18. THIS LETTER IS BASED ON MY OWN PERSONAL OPINIONS, WITH LITTLE BITS AND PIECES OF FACTS SPRINKLED IN. It should not be hard to tell which is which. Allow me to preface this letter by saying the following: I do not have any video game production. I do not work for any prestigious entertainment industry, but I am a part of the largest populous in the world: the consumers. I have been playing video games since I learned to walk, with the first one I can remember being Pokemon Gold. I have played your games ever since Halo: CE and I was always astounded by the care and detail that went into that one, and the subsequent sequels/prequels/spinoffs that followed. I know the greatness that can arise from your games and I have come to expect the same level of quality in everything we do, and I remember my hype going from the original Titanfall to the orginal Destiny in an instant while I was in middle school. Wow… five years flies by doesn’t it? With the announcement of the joint announcement of the ten-year partnership between Bungie and Activision, I felt a small sense of familiarity. I remember after Halo 3 hit the shelves that Microsoft allowed Bungie to leave its exclusivity after completing two more Halo franchised games, those being Halo 3: ODST and Halo: Reach, two of my favorite video games of all time. The familiarity spanned from Bungie stepping out of one contract into the next, and honestly, I was excited about it, because it meant a new universe made by the creators of my favorite games would bring new memories to my friends and I. I love the Destiny universe. That is a controversial topic, simply because the games are not what I love. I love the lore. I can fondly remember playing through strikes and PvP games while listening to lore videos on subjects such as the “Book of Sorrows” or the Ahamkara, spoken to the world by people such as My Name is Byf or Myelin Games. But, like many others, I was disappointed with the games themselves. Destiny 1 ended on a completed note. The key-word in that sentence being “ended,” because it started in what felt like pre-alpha. There was this sense of boredom after completing the mainline missions -- that had nonexistent story, mind you -- and the marketing that was done missled all of it. The game that reached my hands in September of 2014 disappointed me, and the only thing that saved it was The Taken King. So much more lore came into play here, and an actual story existed. The Taken King was executed very well, and that is where my love for the Destiny universe blossomed. The expansion after that? Well… that should have been free, in my opinion. It was very lackluster and added little in terms of new gameplay. The enemies felt the same, and the story was shorter than ever before. I didn’t care for the SIVA, because it really just felt like the Fallen. At least with TTK the Taken had more distinct features and consumed every race -- regardless of how I felt about fighting them. The Taken were just more interesting to me, and even though I loved the end of Destiny 1, I felt like the universe Bungie created was going to crash and burn. Destiny 2 should have saved this universe. Matthew Ward told IGN the following: “I hope people complain about how much story we have. That'd be the Reddit thread I'd like to read. 'Too much damn story.’” I think this was just said to sell the game more. With my first time playing Destiny 2, I loved the surface of the story, because that’s all there was. There was no deeper meaning to D2’s story, no interesting cast of characters, and no end-game, whatsoever. There were very few strikes to play, and the ones that were there felt the same as the last. There was no innovation. In Destiny 2, there were many quality of life changes, however, such as lore being in the game, being able to auto-mantle ledges, cool sound design, and a very slightly less static version of Zavala. I feel like D2’s story was just Cayde-6 being capitalized on. And to add the first layer of toppings to a cake made of cardboard, the lore may have been implemented into the game, but there was such a lack of it you might as well have scrapped it in the first place. Let’s talk end-game. Destiny 1 had more end-game in vanilla -- which is still sad, because even that was lacking -- than D2 does following the expansion 1 release, which felt like a spit in the face to people who wanted D2 to be great. If there is one thing the Infinite Forest cannot simulated, it would be an end-game. The most recent update, the “Go-fast Update,” skipped over one of the biggest complaints fans had about D2, and that’s the slow time-to-kill. How can an update with a title such as this one not speed that up, and not increase how fast your guardian runs, which is the mode of transportation used the most in the destiny universe? Let’s talk raids. When I heard that Bungie was going to implement an end-game event with the word “Raid” tied to it, I instantly thought of World of Warcraft and got excited. I was rightfully hyped, because there were 30 raids in vanilla WoW. How many were there at the end of year one? 2. I know, it’s unfair to compare those two games, because one is a MMORPG and one only has some “MMO elements.” Therefore, WoW and Destiny are too different to compare. Even so, hearing about these massive events, I was hyped to have something to do. But after you complete each raid once or twice, I felt like they got easy. They were fun at times, and King’s Fall holds my personal favorite video game memory, but after that… meh. Bungie. We all know what you are capable of. I have heard that D1 experienced problems with updates due to outdated hardware and an engine that did not suit the vision you had, but I feel like those are excuses. With that budget of $500 Million, why didn’t you upgrade to better machines, build a better engine, or just make more stuff before the first one came out? And finally, why did the sequel feel like a mere proof-of-concept for the pitch of the Destiny universe? I am not alone when I say that I want you to succeed, Bungie. But if I’m being honest with you, my wallet, and myself, I felt I had more to do in Halo: Reach than I have currently in any of the Destiny games. I have little faith with the September expansion, and none for Expansion 2 which is coming actually soon. We are nearly halfway through the 10 year contract... what will save Destiny from extinction? Sincerely, Someone who misses the old Bungie, but wants the new to succeed.

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  • Interesting read, this should be on Reddit.

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    • Edited by Ascent_Cobra: 4/9/2018 5:05:30 AM
      [i]"because there were 30 raids in vanilla WoW. "[/i] Guess I missed a super majority of the vanilla WoW content then. [i]"We are nearly halfway through the 10 year contract... what will save Destiny from extinction?"[/i] Activision will. When they: 1) Look past DLC 2 sales numbers. 2) Figure out D2 rode D1's coattails & expectations into its high sales figures during 2017. 3) Watch Eververse revenue continue to dwindle, which is nearly a 100% correlation to the player base free fall. 4) Understand that as of the current trends/indicators/facts, only a fool would buy D3. If Bungie thinks they're going to hoodwink people again, as they did in September 2017, its going to be a better show than what we are currently watching. Eventually these huge losses associated with the IP will allow Activision to legally absorb it. Then they could spin it off to....Blizzard. Which has the best chance of saving this franchise as a developer.

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      • Very interesting read, and very well written. If I might add just for clarification, I believe that there were only a few Raids in vanilla WoW instead of 30 (I'm hoping that's just a typo though). Other than that, I do hope that one of the CM's gives this a read. Well done.

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        • Great writing! I agree with almost all of what you wrote! The reason i enjoyed D1 was the mystery behind th universe; the discovery of something new honestly... Finding dead ghosts that had lore tied to them was something everyone wanted to achieve. I had a high grimoire score and it peaked my interest to find every secret. I was a big fan of Sir Wallen and just loved listening to theories as to who and or what the darkness is? What was the golden age? The WormGods? I am honestly sad that bungie did not keep lore consistent in D2; evn more thatbthey dont really have anything to achieve in endgame. Again, love the writing! Comes from the heart, i bet!

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        • I appreciate the letter and the insights. I agree with a large majority of it, though the "30" raid count for WoW is a bit high. Vanilla WoW had 8 raids in it, which is still significantly more than the 1 (Vault of Glass, open a month after launch) that vanilla Destiny launched with. Here are the WoW raids that were pre-Burning Crusade expansion in WoW: Upper Blackrock Spire Zul'Gurub Ruins of Ahn'Qiraj Onyxia's Lair Molten Core Blackwing Lair Temple of Ahn'Qiraj Naxxramas

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          • Destiny 1 was anything but completed.

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            • you said Destiny vanilla had more endgame... D1: VoG. D2: Lev. / EoW / IB / ToTN weird.

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              • Edited by TheShadow-cali: 4/9/2018 5:21:44 PM
                It's amazing reading over the replies this post has gotten looking over all the insults many of you made to this post. "you" are the people that "claim" you are Bungie fans. This is how you present yourself liking this game and company to someone that was just giving an opinion that wasn't an insult to Bungie??? Now I'm not afraid to admit that I troll this company, and I know the funny comments will come :) Have at it. But know this, it's more entertaining to me then anything else. Maybe some day some of you will learn this. I mean, if it wasn't entertaining I wouldn't be on here as much lol. But, i'm here and it's for a good reason that some of you wouldn't know how to comprehend. What I just said (is not an insult to anyone.) What I'm referring to is, I look at the over all and not just what's right in front of my eyes and how I express my opinion is what some of you don't like. Although, I have found a few people that can look past things and know how to present themselves in a respectful matter when engaging in a conversation. See, when someone shows respect, I give that respect in return. I'm not here for anyone to "like" me. I'm hear because gamers have a right to know what is actually going on. Just saying Bungie is trying when it's more then obvious that there is overwhelming info that shows other wise is ridiculous. I don't blame the devs that have to deal with the higher ups. They are just doing their job, just some do it better then others. [b](The OP did nothing wrong and that is a fact)[/b] Yet you gamers that say you like this game and company that "you" give "positive feedback" are acting worse then the ones you call "trolls" Can someone explain that one to me because i'm lost on that logic??? Then you go on to saying how you want to make this forum better, that you want positive feedback, you don't want the "trolls' on here. "Bungie is listening" etc.... Am I missing something here that I can only expect the insults I will get from you???

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                • Edited by TheLastSeabass: 4/9/2018 3:34:30 AM
                  Just so you know I upvoted you for the effort you took. You put some thought into this. Did it ever occur to you that you're in an abusive relationship? Did you realize that you're on the wrong end of a dysfunctional relationship? Stop being the only one who puts effort into the relationship. She doesn't deserve you. Move on.

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                  • A for effort, but in short my open letter would be a giant f u , and you as a developer failed to develop a mmo lite type game and how to update it. I would have been fine if this was f2p , but I drop money on this game that I would have used for gas or as part of my rent. So with that fu bungie thanks for making my whole clan leave, and destroyed and trust I had left for u. Closing bs you have stuck with halo

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                  • Upvote for your effort. I don't share your opinion, although you pointed out some legit things which could have been better. Like the endgame. The biggest issue I have with it, is that the best hand cannons in the game somehow are less fun to use than the real scrappy ones.

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                  • Very well written. I don't agree with everything you say, but have an upvote anyway!

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                  • bump

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                  • they will definitely read all of that

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                    • Dat wall of text tho....

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                      • A bunch of folks ought to link this and post it on Twitter since they are on there more often than B.net. Just making a suggestion you guys.

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                      • That was a very lengthy post. I gotta be honest and say I am surprised it is not in feedback yet.

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                      • Edited by Unforgiven: 4/9/2018 10:02:54 PM
                        It's funny because Bungie still thinks Destiny 2 was a success because of their great reviews. Which fulfilled their contract and got them a bonus. So don't expect them to change anytime soon. And they keep asking Youtubers and streamers for help, and fail to respond to their customers. I constantly write them messages o Twitter, I have yet to receve a single response. 4 years of messages. 0 answers. I wouldn't expect an answer on these forums either.

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                        • When i see open letter to Bungo in subject line, i go “not another one🙄🙄🙄”

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                        • I hope someone other than the fans read this

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                        • I would post this on reddit also

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                          • Good one. Only thing that keeps me at d2 is crucible, it has awesome replayability. Striikes and other events are not so fun and raids i dont care. Where is prison of elders?

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                          • Agree bump.

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                          • For your own sake.. just let it go... trust us.. some things that turn sour is better to just drop.. and you can always hang here in the forum.. lots of fun around ye old dumpster burning..

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                          • Edited by DemonicDmouse: 4/9/2018 1:18:16 PM
                            Time to kill is fine. Bungies raids are not raids. They are annoying strikes.

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                          • Not enough caps lock.

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