I keep seeing people talking about how it's still early, that it's a new system, that Bungie needs time to develop new things... and it REALLY frustrates me. If this were the first game in the series I'd understand, but it's NOT. This is Destiny TWO, and they've HAD the time to think up and develop new things. There's no excuse for it anymore. I grabbed a physical copy of D1 at Walmart today, after not playing it for ages. I got the game, both expansions, and TTK for $20. I logged in and was overwhelmed by the options I had. While the graphics obviously weren't quite as good, everything seemed... brighter. I don't know how to explain it. There was SO MUCH to do that it was almost overwhelming at first! I don't see how I could EVER become as bored with it as I already am with D2. Even when looking at a zone map or walking around a social space, the amount of content is staggering. The fact that so much of this has been lost is unacceptable. Destiny 1 WAS the time to come up with, or even test, new ideas. A game like D2 should have had the best of D1s features with some new ideas and improvements thrown in. The fact that it feels like there is no relavent endgame or reward system when D1 has so much is insane. They either completely screwed up, or they are intentionally lacking in content so that they can sell it to us later as new features; gradually giving us things we already have, things that should have been there at launch, to create the illusion of them constantly giving us new things. Either way, it's not working. So, to everybody out there claiming that we're being too hard on Bungie or are demanding too much, to the ones saying that it takes time for features to be added and then perfected, that we're just being too tough on them, I say this: you're not being tough ENOUGH! They had the full lifespan of D1 to work these things out, and for the most part they already have. They know what we want and for the most part they've already given it to us in the past. I feel like for every 10 posts Bungie sees about the changes we want, it only takes 1 reply with somebody saying things are fine for them to convince themselves they don't really need to change anything. I genuinely feel like the one thing that will stir some change (sooner than later) is community outcry (and the swarm of returns that happened last week), and that people making excuses for them are hurting the one method we have to demonstrate our unhappiness. If you love the game and are having fun and really think nothing needs to change, that's fine, you're more than welcome to voice that opinion... but if that's not the case and you think things need to change, please don't fool yourself into thinking Bungie just needs more time to figure things out and is really trying to give us what we want as soon as possible. There is some reason why they will not give us features we've had before, at least not this early in the game's life. This is an intentional, deliberate thing, and whether it's because of money or an internal content release schedule or whatever else, it's definitely not because they just need time to figure out what they need to do or what we want. Sorry for any typos, typing/posting this from my phone.

I got an antiope-d +5 range which is pretty sweet

[quote]I see posts where people are excited to get them or have gotten the combo they were hoping for and I get it can be fun to get the new shiny item type, but I can't help feeling "this is it?" the entire time. As far as I can tell it's just a small boost to normal weapon stats such as handling, range, etc - and I get that that can be nice, especially on certain weapons, but it just doesn't really seem to compensate enough for the static loot? I just don't see this "fixing" anything. I'm a strong believer that the game will never reach its full potential with all gear being the same, and this just seems like such a minor, trivial change. I don't feel nearly as incentivised to grind (compared to D1) nor do I feel like they are contributing anywhere near what they did before. It just... it seems like the absolute bare minimum possible for Bungie to be able to say "we did something you wanted!". I'm really, really not trying to complain just for the sake of it and I know there are PLENTY of other, bigger issues with the game... it just feels like this was the patch that was meant to fix some of our larger concerns and that it isn't going to do that. It feels like in ten years this franchise will be best when played in reverse; starting with the last game, then this one, and ending with D1. It's crazy that taking that route will actually give you new and more exciting content as you move between games.[/quote] In my opinion they give a relevant advantage to hardcore players. I can totally see posts on lfg looking for players with MW weapons for the raid and raid lair to be able to use supers more often. In PvP I don't see an exaggerated advantage of having one over the other however it's enough for different styles of play to start emerging. It's a new system and if they leave it as is, yes, it's a completely wasted opportunity because it has the potential to be better. I hope Bungie add more relevant perks to different classes because as of now there are some perks that are useless for certain weapons. Let's give it some time and see what happens. I will end by saying that the ball is definitely in Bungie's court and whether or not they correct their mistakes is up to them. As if now, it's enough to keep me somewhat optimistic because of the promise it offers and I do think that my gameplay has been enhanced enough to want to tinker with the new system for a while

My Raid group all used them tonight in the new Raid....There were orbs raining everywhere and super going off times infinity(exaggeration)....It was pretty cool

Looks like another myth to me. Mythical components to upgrade mythical weapons.

Masterworks should have been an additional perk added to the weapon and made everything on the weapon re rollable given you had the materials to do so.... it would give us god rolls and something to fu*king grind for....

If anything I want a masterwork version of one of my kinetic weapons just so I can produce orbs for myself. That alone makes it worth the grind. I've gotten a total of 3 MW weapons to drop for me this week, two useless power weapons and a Lincoln green. I broke all of them down for the cores. The power weapons gave me 2 cores each, but the Lincoln green only gave me one. Kinda ticked me off a bit since its not like MW weapons are dropping one after another, why not give 2 cores for all MW weapons? Even at 2 cores a weapon at my drop rate it will take about 2 weeks to break down enough to upgrade one of my non MW weapons... But if some of them only drop 1 core it'll be a month before I can even begin to enjoy the benefits of a MW weapon.

Dear community, I will keep this short. I'm starting a petition with suggestions on how to make Destiny better and help the game become legend. Please review, sign and help spread the word. https://www.change.org/p/bungie-make-destiny-better?recruiter=842819883&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=share_email_responsive‬ Peace, Ruchdi

I like them. To each his own, I guess.

They're like Stattracks from CSGO. You really don't need them. They're just there for fun. Some people are gonna like them, others aren't.

What’s the point there is no endgame to use them

I haven’t gotten one yet, and I’ve put a lot of time and also ranked up heavily with banshee and bought a bunch of engrams from rahool... still nothing.

What? They are AMAZING! How could you possibly be disappointed?! A raid of people using Masterwork weapons generate Orbs of Light so rapidly on adds that they will be constantly using their Supers. It's nuts! They make this week's Nightfall a complete joke. I've very pleased with the Masterwork concept. It provides a small static advantage but a large PvE gameplay one without breaking the Crucible for people who don't play enough to have them.

Yes, underwhelmed. Should go back to being able to re-roll with the gunsmith.

I don't care about them at all really, dumb.