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Edited by King: 9/17/2017 8:03:59 PM
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Destiny 2 was the biggest NERF ever.

You are full of shit.

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Yes, they literally nerfed everything.

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No, [insert your ignorant reasoning]

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I recall that the biggest problem with Late D1 was the fact that abilities were much stronger than the weapons. Instead of having the weapons buffed Bungie decided to nerf the subclasses to the ground (relatively speaking) and on top of that even dare to nerf weapon's damage output. Now when I look at the threads here on Bungie I see no one mentioning this. How? This is the BIGGEST nerf Bungie has ever put out yet I hear zero streamers complain about it. The amount of skill it takes to win a fight has been reduced so much... even when looking at the completely garbage ability-meta that Destiny Year 3 was. How is this possible? What the -blam!- is going on here? I must admit that I can't care less any more. I mean, I fell into the trap of thinking Destiny had potential with a developer like Bungie backing it, so I understand that I once was delusional. The problem is though that it would only be natural more people saw through this non-sense balance as well. I roam these forums seeing threads almost complaining about a "44 damage" headshotting MIDA Multitool. This is absolute blasphemy. It's ludicrous. Please let me know if I am being absolutely delusional or that Bungie has actually pulled a 10/10 Houdini trick on us. Just kidding, you don't have to tell me. It's blatantly obvious they have. I don't think any statistic could disagree with this, regardless of how it's being interpreted. I still would like to see people having ludacrous opinions ranting against this. Have a go <3

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  • Can't say I'm surprised that D2 is a watered down nerfed shit show right at the very start, after 3 straight years of nerf nerf nerf, thinking that they would swing the other direction rather than continuing down that path was just wishful hoping.

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  • Ik.. second comment.. i wanted to add how little sense it makes that our gaurdians are so weak now. Literally when we gout our powers back our ghost talks about how strong the light was so why are we somehow so weak? If players want to play a all gun fight no space magic game then why are they even playing destiny... What a the point of this game without our slightly o.p. abilites.. thats sort of the whole point of this game.....

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    • For all that I'm enjoying playing Destiny 2, I feel as if it was developed alongside Destiny for a long time. So many of the improvements we got added into D1 are missing because the 2 dev teams didn't speak to each other or take on board each other's ideas.

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    • WEAPONS [spoiler]• Fixed Rolls on everything • No more Strike Specifics • Most Exotics are "Meh" at best • Weak AF [/spoiler] ARMOR [spoiler]• 50% of it is just plain bad. Seriously, who reviewed the Titan Planet gear set and said, "Yeah, our players are gonna LOVE that." • The Mobility / Resilience / Recovery is just as useless as it was in D1 • Using armor Mods to make up for the removal of weapon perks? Sad. • What happened to fastball? Can't throw grenades for shit now • Exotics are literally Subclass abilities stripped from D1 applied to Armor[/spoiler] LOOT [spoiler]• Gear/Engram rewards dropping well below even my combined average power level across all 3 characters • Luminous Engrams and Exotic Engrams could go either way depending on which slot the item drops in • Looting 5 chests/resource nodes within a 5-minute period locks out loot? Sorry, What!? • Rare engrams as Nightfall Rewards? • Where the hell are all the goddamn kinetic weapon Mods!? • Seriously Banshee, just stop with the weapons, okay? we don't want 'em anymore[/spoiler] COSMETICS [spoiler]• Single use shaders? • Single use transmat effects? • Cosmetic slot for Auras, but they reset and are removed every week? • No Shader / Sparrow / Ship collections • No Sparrow upgrading • No "Trick" sparrows • No Vehicle variety like in D1 • I don't give a damn about emotes[/spoiler] STRIKES [spoiler]• No scoring challenges • No choice • No Heroic playlist • No introduction? I don't know or care about who any of these baddies are • No DPS options due to scarce Power Ammo and weapon class overhauls • No point after Power Level 265 • No Strike Specific Gear[/spoiler] VENDORS [spoiler]• RNG rewards instead of selecting/buying • No factions (yet) • Ikora is literally going to be ignored forever after everyone gets their gear from her • Hawthorne is just an engram postmaster • Tess can f**k right off (though I do like bright engrams as an alternative to Silver) • Benedict (while an interesting character) should never have been a Raid vendor. Seriously, Bungie? • Planetary resources do not grant NEARLY enough rep for as scarce as they are • Sloane and Asher Mir just bother me aestheically, Devrim's a'ight[/spoiler] RAID [spoiler]• Tokens are NOT loot •Shaders are NOT loot • KEYS ARE NOT LOOT • RNG Raid gear vendor is the WORST IDEA EVER SUGGESTED • Chest keys? You're going to make us complete ANOTHER encounter to unlock the loot we should have gotten from the encounter we already completed? WHAT? • Guided games are going to flop. There's no way ANYONE is going to seriously have the patience to spend HOURS guiding fresh players through the Raid • Raid mechanics are interesting, but not as rewarding as taking down big bosses, so I'm a little disappointed but I don't hate it[/spoiler] Basically every advancement made over the lifespan of D1 was forgotten/removed/or plain reversed in D2. There are a dozen other issues that could be pointed out, but I feel like Bungie already knows what's wrong with their game. That's why so many of these points were conveniently hidden during the Beta. So that players wouldn't know just how far a step back D2 actually is in terms of quality of life improvements. Now for the positive: I still enjoy playing the game. I love shooting stupid aliens in their stupid faces. (Figuratively, the aliens are actually quite cool) I love getting sweet looking armors and pimping it out with a variety of shaders and making MY Guardian stand out among the hundreds of others out there in the system. I enjoy the high-stakes Trials mode even though D2's PVP is seriously slowed to a crawl. I enjoy the difficulty and team-oriented mechanics of the Raids and their respective loot. As a game I love the potential that Destiny has to be great, I just think that many of the changes made in D2 weren't the step forward that players were expecting. And that makes me sad.

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      • Edited by EL_Dingleberry: 9/18/2017 4:38:34 AM
        Ask and you shall receive... (edited a typo) I've been making my way around and it blows my mind as well. How are there not more posts about this? Feeling like a badass space mute is the number one reason I went all in on Destiny after I played the original beta back in the day. COD and team based shooters felt bland (except BF, but still not the same) compared to the way that Destiny played. It was a refreshing and [b]super [/b]gratifying experience that never grew old. I've put a [i]ridiculous [/i]amount of hours in as well, I honestly don't even want to know how many. They've taken away so much and pigeon-holed every PvP player into a lesser role that has very little importance or freedom. In PvE, the fundamental changes aren't as magnified compared to PvP (for me) but you can't help feeling restricted across the board. Plus, gone are the days of me tinkering with [i]my [/i]gear and skill trees which was such [b]a personalized and purposeful thing.[/b] The people that say "git gud" and "you relied on your powers" are missing the point... or hopefully, they're just trolling and actually agree. Destiny has ALWAYS had team shooting, and if you actually worked to improve this with a team, you were probably winning the majority of your games. Teamshot was a vital tool, especially in Trials, but you didn't have to sit at a corner, dry humping your teammate the entire time to be effective. If players on your team were skilled, you had all the options in the world. Variety is the spice... but I'm only tasting salt after playing the once glorious Trials this weekend... And don't think its because I don't know how to strafe (sluggishly now) and shoot people in the face with a multi-tool or auto rifle while cuddling my battle buddies. Wake the fak up.

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        • THANK YOU. We need a fast paced gameplay, we need faster ttk's! Mida is our hope. Every weapon should be as good as mida.

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          • That about sums it up. That's why I was so down on the Beta. Who wants to saddle up a Guardian so they can feel weak as a hamster? All this nerfing was obviously done to balance their PvP game. It's terrible.

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            • The game is too easy , the strikes are REALLY TOO EASY , and there is no point in playing them , wich make me sad , because in any MMO (with farming) , the instance that are not raids are meant to be farmed . This is what makes games like this fun , farm farm until you get the good loot . Here the loots are too easy to obtain , and there is absolutely no challenge in strikes , why just why ? Please give us hard difficulty .

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            • Mega Bump

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            • Thank the Crucibabies.

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            • So we are ignorant because we don't agree with you. lol

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            • I do miss the everyone is OP vibe. We [i]were[/i] legend. Perhaps with new content we'll get our old selves back.

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            • Among other things, I'm a bit tilted about supers really only being useful for trash mobs now. For instance, I used an [i]entire[/i] stormcaller on that Hive knight that spawns under that platform on Siren's Watch near the public event, only for it to still have 1/4 health left when my super ran out... Seriously, that's not right.

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              • A significant target is no more than any of the other boss targets in d1 You could not kill grayness or the other taken majors with one super Or kill the hive major on the dreadnought with one super If you want easy kills do the lost sectors and leave the heroic tasks to those who are gud

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                • I miss mayhem. Abilities were sooooo fun to use

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                  • Edited by Krieger559: 9/19/2017 2:34:04 AM
                    D1 year 3 I could throw a scatter grenade kill a small mob, heal from said grenade kills, and trigger a buff that basically instantly regens my grenade. I could spam abilities and destroy my enemies with ease and feel good about it because I got a build for myself I felt comfortable with. I can't do that anymore. I can still get my grenades back relatively quickly on warlock void class but its not the same: throw, kill, regen, and repeat. Now I have to constantly kill enemies to keep boosting my grenade regen. I will say the good thing about the new setup is I can keep a chain going and perpetually heal myself, but it doesn't feel as good as lobbing grenades lefting right while screaming, "EXPLOSIONS!" like Mr. Torgue from borderlands

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                    • Yes, I'm half the guardian I used to be.

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                      • Agreed. I feel like my guardian got replaced by a skinny hipster.

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                      • You just have everyone's dikk is your mouth .... .remove then speak

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                      • Whoa bias post much.

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                        • I enjoy the game so far. I definitely won't be playing through content gaps like I did in D1.

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                        • I agree and I thought my grasp of malok got nerfed in February.

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                        • Yup.

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                        • I feel more powerful than ever now that newbies have to actually practice to kill me.

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                        • Nerfed in PvE right? Just imagine the enemies are stronger :).

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                        • Love the 3rd option relates to the op so damn much.

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