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Edited by Vampire Nox: 9/11/2017 1:50:32 PM
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Destiny 2: An Onoing Review from a "Hater".

So, despite my vociferous refusal to buy Destiny 2... my wife thought it would be a good birthday gift to me. I apparently really need to work on my communication... So now I have a copy of Destiny 2. I started playing last night, and as of the time of this post I'm Lvl 7 and 69 Light/Power (though I know that doesn't really mean shit until Lvl 20, I included it for accuracy). I'm still exploring the EDZ, and I admittedly have quite a long way to go before I can say my review is "complete". So this will be an "Ongoing" review as I explore the updated universe of the Destiny franchise, filtered through the lens of Destiny 2. But with around 3-4 hours of game play under my belt (and 30+ years of Gaming as a serious hobby before that), I can safely say that there are some noticeable things that I do/don't like about the game so far. Yeah... the Vampire actually has some things he likes about Destiny 2. Shocking, I know; especially considering how vitriolic I've been about the majority of the changes made from Destiny to Destiny 2. And I will frame that last statement with this next one: I am very much a fan of Destiny. I enjoyed Destiyn in Y1, Y2, and my discontent with the direction changes of the game began at the tail end of Y2 and proceeded after that with Y3 and the announced changes to Destiny 2. But with that in mind, since I am a fan of the franchise with very serious concerns about the direction of the franchise and design/management of the game, I feel that I'm able to be as objective as anyone can possibly be. My fandom is tempered by my concerns/discontent, and vice versa. So, here we go; and I'll start with the things I like about Destiny 2. [u]What I Like:[/u] - Obviously, the graphic fidelity. The game is beautiful. Gorgeous, sweeping vistas. Fine detail on the buildings, locations, etc. The game looks like a work of art. Well done. - The Gun Mechanics: Smooth like butter. Seriously, one of my favorite things about Destiny was the silky smooth gun play. That carried over exactly into D2, and it's about as close to mechanical perfection as you can get. - Auto Rifles: They feel... pretty much spot on. Don't tweak these, Bungie. They're good to go. - Scout Rifles: Overall, pretty good. The damage could use a slight increase, but other than that, Scout's feel more or less the same as in Destiny. - Hand Cannons and Pulse Rifles: haven't really tried them as I don't like either of these types of weapons, so no opinion on those two here. - Slight change to Enemy AI: Is decent. They're still as dumb as a ball of cotton, but a little bit better. I do enjoy that they dodge more. I fully expected that to frustrate me, and it might as time rolls on. But for right now, the increased dodging (of Fallen in particular) and the increased movement speed of the Fallen is pretty good. - Lost Sectors: I've actually found one and completed it in the EDZ. I like how well it scales to level. I wandered in and fully expected to get my ass handed to me. Such was not the case. Though with the level scaling, the challenge was "just right", and the loot was level-appropriate. In all, a pleasant surprise to find while exploring. - Loot Drops: While the RNG is just as frustrating as ever, it's mitigated a bit by the increased frequency that Loot drops total, and the increased number and spawn rate of Loot Chests out in the wild. That's all I have for now. This is an ongoing review, so as I find more things I like/enjoy about D2, I'll amend the list above. [u]What I Don't Like:[/u] - Losing all my Stuff from Destiny: While this has been beaten into the ground over the last year, it is my number one gripe about Destiny 2. I understand the "narrative" reasoning Bungie took for removing all our hard-earned Weapons/Armor, but it's a weak-ass narrative for doing it, and that very same narrative is undermined once you get to the Farm and see Tess Everess and the Eververse Trading Company, and Amanda Holliday and her fleet of ships. I mean, the Cabal surprised the Tower, stole the Traveler's Light from us, and obliterated all of our stuff; yet somehow Tess had the wherewithal to not only escape, but escape with all of her goddamn inventory intact!?!? How is it I lose all my stuff, yet she gets to keep hers? Did she have forewarning of the attack? Does Zavala and Ikora need to "interrogate" Tess for treason and Collusion with the Enemy since she apparently knew about the attack in enough time to not only escape, but escape with all of her items to sell? Just having Tess set up at the Farm with her full inventory and Holliday having Ships/Sparrows to sell defeats the whole narrative of "the cabal destroyed everything". This irks the shit out of me. there are at least five different better ways that we could have carried our stuff forward, and used Infusion to keep it relevant. - SMG's: Really, there's no point to these. They're a waste of file space. They suck balls. - Running everywhere until level 20: I know you want us to explore and take our time, Bungie. But this is a new game. I'm going to explore every nook and cranny anyway, I don't need to be forced to run for five minutes one way, kill said enemy, then run five minutes back just because you think I need to take the scenic route. Just let me have my Sparrow, I'll still fully explore and take my time. New areas to explore often does that for people, but arbitrarily forcing the issue just grates on the nerves. - Shaders: Again, beaten into the ground; but, really, Bungie!? All through Destiny, I never once heard anyone bitch that Shaders were OP and could be used too often. Luke's weak explanation that he wants to use Shaders as a way to make us want to grind out activities is a horrible excuse for making Shaders one time consumables. Just revert it back to the way it was in Destiny, and you'll quite literally cure the ire over this change over night. - Customization of Classes: Less customization? Leveling up a sub-Class is mind-numbing boring now. There's no choice or different builds. Just... blandness. - Super Ability Efficacy: Really, Supers could use a significant damage boost across the board. Seriously, they feel weak as hell. - Ability Recharge/Super Recharge: I like that Kills recharges the Super faster (kills had no effect in the Beta), but across the board, Abilities of all types need a significant increase of their Recharge Rates. They're so slow right now as to be nigh useless. [b]Edit =[/b] After several more days of playing, Supers and Abilities are still near useless due entirely to their pathetic recharge rate. I've found some Armor Mods that relieve this a bit, but the change is so negligible as to be almost unnoticeable. This is truly a horrific design decision. It's a Space Magic Scifi Shooter, Bungie. But with the infrequency that I can use my Space Magic, it boils all combat down to which of my two Primary Weapons am I going to spend a half-hour plinking down the Boss with... and that makes combat tediously slow and goddamn boring... - PvP: I despise PvP in pretty much every game, so I don't play it. Because of this, I haven't even tried the PvP in D2, so I won't even comment on it other than that it has zero temptation for me to try it. - the Story: From what I've seen so far, it's "Meh". Hasn't roped me in. I find the Libertarian Explorer chick who led me to The Farm to be more annoying than anything. I'd love to be able to mute her. The Story does nothing to make me care for her plight. Gaul is likewise "Meh". He's a sociopathic conqueror... as if that hasn't been done before. This doesn't really have me on the edge of my seat... We'll see how it unfolds though. [b]Edit =[/b] Played more of the Story. It's not nearly as epic IMO as people are painting it to be. Is it better than D1? Sure, but that's only because we now have a linear, contiguous story. Other than that, it's like the writers were having a contest to see who could pack in the most burned out cliche's in the shortest amount of time. While I enjoy seeing some of these NPC's personalities, none of them make my heart bleed for them, and they could disappear like vapor in the wind tomorrow, and I doubt I'd notice. - Grenade damage: Needs a damage increase as well. For as rarely as I get them, if you aren't going to increase their recharge rate, they should at least hit much harder than they do. - Loss of Locations from Destiny: I know that the Cosmodrome and the Tower were lost to us, and quite possibly we were kicked off of Mars. But Venus? Earth's Moon? The Dreadnought? Those should have been included and available as open-world areas to explore/defend in Destiny 2. As it stands; every single bit of ground we made in D1, we lost [i]ALL OF IT!?!?[/i] I not only find that increasingly difficult to believe, but that kinda angers me as well. These should have been left in the game to explore in D2, Bungie. This is a nasty design/management choice that doesn't sit well with me. That's all I have right now. As I said, I'm only a maximum of four hours in. There's still plenty to do, see, and experience. We'll also see if anything listed above switches lists or not. So, let me know what you think. Is there anything specific I should go out of my way to look for or look out for? I don't care about Spoilers at all. I'm an adult, and what constitutes a "spoiler" doesn't affect my enjoyment in the least little bit. But as I said, as I explore more, I'll add to both lists more. All the way until I can feel comfortable that I've made as good a review as I can.

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  • Edited by Vampire Nox: 9/14/2017 1:44:32 PM
    (09-13-2017) Ok, furthering my ongoing review: About the Main Story... (There will be Spoilers in this post) [spoiler]So I finally just buckled down and finished off the Main Quest story last night, and I have to say, it sucks. - A positive note first though; it's better than D1's story, and really only because D2's story is linear, and actually is cohesive. - My first criticism: Why the actual -blam!-, do we not tell the Vanguard about the Shard of the Traveler in the Dark forest!? Everyone is whining about their lost Light, and we've found a shard of the Traveler that reconnected us to it's Light. All the times we met up with Zavala or Cayde or Ikora, my Ghost and I never once thought to tell them about it!? Seriously!?!? I mean, it's literally a source of Light that will grant surcease for their sorrows and cure their depression nigh-instantly, and the surviving Guardians didn't form a train on that shard!? There should have been a line of Guardians stretching back to the old Tower as they're waiting for their turn to get their Light back! If nothing else, the War with the Cabal would have necessitated telling the Vanguard about this shard. The fact that we keep it as our own little secret throughout the game is bullshit. Especially as the Cabal continue to nuke Humanity after conquering The Last City. An absolutely horrible story hole here. - I get it that the vanguard are depressed about their lost Light. But shut up already. I was the workhorse for all your troubles in D1 when you guys [i]HAD[/i] your Light, I'm even moreso now that you've [i]LOST[/i] your Light. Since I'm the one doing all the heavy lifting, just shut up already. This character writing didn't inspire me to care about those characters any more than I did before; in fact, I cared about them less after the fourth mission of whining while I'm trying to shoot shit. - My Ghost must have an IQ lower than 70... seriously, every time I have him scan something Lore related, it's just more dialogue about things he doesn't understand... it got tiresome to hear very early on. - I've seen people post about the end-game cinematics, and talking about a ray of light, and Pyramid Ships. I watched the whole credits, never got a scene depicting any kind of pyramid ships; not at the edge of the solar system, not at the edge of the galaxy, nothing. - Open Story hole: The Speaker? After the old Cabal releases the clamps, the Speaker collapses, and in his argument with Ghaul, he crushes the Speakers facemask. Great. Superb. But when I'm in the New Tower, is the Speaker just dead? Is he in an ICU? Did we bury him? Or just chuck him off the New Tower? - I enjoy that the Traveler finally woke up. Did you have a nice nap, Big Guy? Because we really could have -blam!-ing used your help earlier!!! - I still don't like Hawthorne. At all. There's a character that just really grates on my last nerve every time the game has her open her mouth... They could have replaced her with the sweeping robot, and the story would have improved immediately. - Nathan Fillion was the only bright spot in this story. - The Almighty: OK, so the Story when we first find out about the Almighty says; that if we blow it up, we destroy our own Sun along with it, because it's already linked to our Sun's magnetic field tubes. But what do we do as a plan? We just go right up there, overload the main weapon, thus destroying The Almighty in the process. Yet, our Sun appears to be none the worse for wear. I'm interested in seeing what kind of damage the Almighty did to Mercury, though Cayde says that there's still plenty of planet left. But really, how did we keep the destruction of the Almighty from 86'ing our star, Sol, as well? Writer's oversight... I guess. - The Fallen: How pathetic... - The Vex: So... the Cabal are actively having their star-killer machine eat Mercury (a planet that the Vex fully control and turned into one large-ass machine in 48 hours [thank you D1 grimoire...]), and while I come across pockets of Vex actively fighting the Cabal; once I start shooting the Cabal, the Vex turn on me!? Every Guardian except for me has lost their Light, Humans are (quite literally) the [i]LEAST[/i] of the Vex's concerns, yet they attack me for attacking the Cabal who're eating one of their Planet's!?!? The Vex stood back, all non-aggressive and shit, while I cleared Skolas out of the VoG, yet the Vex are taking a hardline stance against us team-shooting the Cabal? And shouldn't the Vex as a whole hive-mind be using the vast majority of their forces to repel against the Cabal? Wouldn't [i]THAT[/i] be in their better interests instead of breaking off of their fight with the Cabal, just to try to take me out? I'm now fully convinced that [i]nobody[/i] on Bungie's writing staff understands military strategy in any way. At all. - The Taken: Why? They serve even less purpose in this game than the Fallen do. Why even have them here in any way? Completely pointless to even the side stories. I can stretch the imagination and understand that the Fallen are in disarray after the collapse of their societal House structure, and thus the House of Kings is attempting to unite them all under its banner. but the Taken have been neutered fare worse than the Fallen with the death of Oryx (you're welcome, Taken... ;) ), and really there's no reason for them to be anywhere except picking their nuts up off the floor on the Dreadnought. - Loss of exploration areas from D1: I deeply understand losing the Cosmodrome on Earth. Mars even as that was the Cabal's main staging ground in our solar system. But the Reef? The Dreadnought? Venus? Earth's goddamn Moon!? Why do we not get to explore these? With the Fallen's entire society in collapse, you would think it would actually be [i]safer[/i] for us to explore Venus. We kicked the Hive in the nuts so hard, the Moon should still be open to us (especially since we killed [i]TWO[/i] (2) of their Gods. The Reef was still operable even after the Queen's apparent demise. What happened to all of those Awoken in the Reef? Was there a genocide against the Awoken that was just not important enough to mention!? Seriously; these should all be areas that we can go back to in D2![/spoiler] So, that's my... less than spectacular opinion of the Story and writing from Bungie. There's more holes than a pasta strainer, and these oversights just tank what could have been a truly epic story. But, what do you think?

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  • Edited by Vampire Nox: 9/14/2017 1:45:34 PM
    (09-11-2017) So, since I've apparently hit the character limit for my OP, I'll be placing my further observations in the comments here. - Infusion seems alright. There's a decent beef up when Infusing one weapon into another, but I'll never understand why Bungie chose to get rid of the 1-1 Infusion ratio (aside from forcing more grinding arbitrarily of course...). Also, being only able to infuse an Auto into an Auto... that sucks. D2 needs to go back to the Infuse a Primary into any Primary, a Secondary into any Secondary, a Power into any Power weapon like D1 had. To do differently is just increasing bullshit grinding for no other reason than to extend grinding. - SMG's are crap all the way around. - I'm really, [i]REALLY[/i] missing HMG's... the removal of this weapon class is a dire mistake IMO. - Leveling: Pretty simple and straight forward. I've noticed that, aside from the Main Campaign missions, Adventures give the most XP reward per activity. For fast leveling, run the Campaign and Adventures and you'll be rocketing through levels both before and after level 20. This is nice rewards and payouts for loot. - Speaking of loot; I really have no issues here. I get a nice mix of Weapons and Armor, and the RNG seems to be pretty intuitive to what I need to keep my Light/Power growing ever higher. This actually surprised me, and Loot and RNGsus were my worst nemesis in D1. So this has been a pleasant surprise. - Grenade Launchers: Are a flat out disappointment. Like SMG's, GL's are pretty much useless all the way around. GL's definitely meed a damage boost. For now, a Sword has been my most effective Power Weapon. - Warlock Armor: I Main a Warlock, and none of the other Classes interest me enough to try them out, so for my review on Classes and Class Armor, I'll be restricted to Warlock only. But Warlock Armor is... boring. Throughout my climb from lvl 1 - 20, there were only ever three separate looks, and those were uninspired. Some more variety is desperately needed in this area. Hopefully future DLC will address this, because right now I'm very "Meh" with the look of Warlock Armor. - Also Warlock Armor: I can see that with the way Armor Mods work, I'll need to keep three full sets of Armor on my Warlock at all times, and that's to handle any Nightfall/Special element needs when switching from Voidwalker, Stormcaller, etc. Since Armor Mods are one-time-use Consumables, it's extremely user-punishing to have to switch out Mods on Armor if my Voidwalker needs to switch to Stormcaller for a Nightfall. The Mods are necessary to get my Ability recharge rates anywhere NEAR useful, but switching and applying Mods to account for varying Nightfalls is going to be a pin in the ass. So three full sets of Armor, each one tuned to a different sub-Class Element is going to be a necessity. And that sucks in its own right. - Weapons: Same as Armor, there's a striking lack of ingenuity and variation here. It's the same three to four "brands" of Weapons all the time, just with varying Power values. Boring is an understatement. - Warlock Bonds: Boring. They look uninspired and rushed. Nothing like the bling from D1, and nowhere near as interesting. [spoiler]- The Story: Again, as I said in my OP, super-"Meh". None of the dialogue and/or storytelling makes me care one single bit about the NPC's or their levels and varying degrees of depression. They could all disappear tomorrow, and I doubt I'd notice. As far as the overarching Story goes, it's like the writers had a competition to see who could cram the most Scifi cliche's into the shortest amount of space. Truly an uninspired slog to get through. [spoiler]And "The Almighty"? Could you have ripped off the Star Killer from "Star Wars" any more blatantly!? This part is simply crap on top of crap.[/spoiler] I can't wait to get through the Main Story, but only because I won't have to deal with it after that... You solved the linearity problem with the Story from D1, but the writing and plot itself is horribly cringe-worthy to try to get through.[/spoiler] - Adventures: Nicely done. No complaints here. - Lost Sectors: Again, nicely done. Wonderful little distractions that leave me with no complaints. - Gun Play/Shooting Mechanics: As I said in the OP, smooth like butter and pleasing to experience. After more time with them, my initial impressions still stands. - Weapon Damage: Weapons all across the board need a damage boost. Even after leveling up and getting some Legendary Weapons and Infusing them higher, they still feel incredibly weak across the board. If you're going to severely restrict our Space Magic use in a Space Magic game, thus forcing us to rely primarily on our mundane, Run-of-the-Mill weapons; don't drop weapon damage to the point that they're horribly boring to use and that makes our Guardians feel as weak as mewling kittens. Weapons need a damage increase across the board. That's all I have for now. There will be more in the coming days.

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  • Edited to reflect some new observations after three more days of playing, and making it to level 20.

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