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Edited by TheLegs41: 6/2/2017 12:43:25 AM
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Who is ready for the real trolls to show up?

There has been a lot of salt getting thrown around on these forums, and that will probably continue all the way up to/past the release of D2. Now a lot of people have said that they aren't going to buy it for various nitpicky reasons. So who is ready for the forums to fill up with people who don't buy the game [i]but[/i] still come on here to bash it? People do it with Destiny already. Those players that have "quit" the game "forever" but still come to the forums everyday to complain and/or troll. I dunno if it'll actually happen, but I'm betting there's a good chance that people who don't end up buying the game will come here to complain about it. Criticism from potential buyers isn't a bad thing, but salt throwing and hate mongering is not criticism. If that starts coming from people who haven't even played/have no intention of playing, then these forums are going to 1,000 times worse than they are now. Obligatory trending edit: I wasn't expecting this post to make it to trending.

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  • Who cares? Obviously you do or you wouldn't of posted this. Why do you care? That's what I'd like to know. With the game being in limbo right now the FORUM actually provides some good entertainment. Especially when taking a dump. Do you have anything constructive to share with this FORUM or are you just posting this jabber jabber because you have nothing better to do?

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    • Blind hate is the same as blind love in my opinion, if people didn't praise a product they don't even own yet, maybe there would be less salt...

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      • Edited by Lull9: 6/2/2017 7:48:39 AM
        I haven't heard from a single person that's not 12 and/or capable of critical thought that thinks D2 is going to be amazing. We all know it's going to be a bunch of bullshit, broken promises, mismanagement and greed. We just hope the good outweighs the bad but are justifiably skeptical and not getting our hopes too high. Edit: You're so vain I'll bet you think this post is about you. (Don't you?)

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        • If you are such a fanboi and can't hear another person's honest critique of the game than you need to step back and put it down. I say that because now you are emotionally attached to a VIDEO GAME. So much so you are making fun of people and bashing people on a public forum because they don't like your game. You don't see that?

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          • Edited by Jibunnokage: 6/3/2017 10:56:59 PM
            The facts are... we don't anything about D2, beyond the information released to date. That said we know what the expectations are, and some of the negatives have been: 1) Content that is isolated, takes $$$ way from Bungie and Activision, so that had to change. Will Guided Games help this situation, maybe, if a few positive clans, support lone wolfs routinely, it will help. I hope it does actually since I am clan based but love to do the lone wolf thing once in a while. The [i]ass[/i] clans that are elite based, and hate carrying noobs can be as salty or exclusive as they want. Let them be. Bet IMHO that is not the future of anything itemized in the presentation, and I believe that the elite clans will get what they want... only the players they want, and become isolated. Whereas the clans that are open, and accepting will grow and dominate the environment in D2, and they as well as the lone wolves will benefit because of it. 2) Bungie and Activision said nothing about exclusive content, but they telegraphed in clearly, in that Sony funded the sandbox at the live event. Is this fair, no, is it reality, yes. Having played both platforms, Xbox Live beats, IMHO, PlayStation Network. So something has to give Sony a counter balance and they pay for it, to get it. 3) Bungie has said the design core of D2 supports easy and straight forward content adds to the game, better than D1 did. This is key (if true) because Blizzard told Bungie over 2 years ago (now) what they should do, need to do, to improve fan appeal, is include more content more frequently, questing, goal based scenarios, and more dynamic events,. Bungie refused to do this initially, but every suggestion Blizzard made, Bungie in some way or form, has done. Dynamic engines that create variance in content once established are dirt cheap to maintain, and drive fan appeal hands down, so many developers have learned this lesson already. 4) Balancing, this has to be the one area where Bungle was horrible., beyond reason. The idea that they can't tune a given weapon or such, separate for PvE or PvP in D1 was just, well, stupidly short sighted. I hope lesson was learned. Never mind the fact that Blizzard suggested that Bungie not get deep into nerf vs. buff struggles, and let the players find the real balance. This where IMHO Bungie needs to learn something... stop trying to force players to do anything in anyway. I would like to think Bungie made it clear that they have learned that they can't control their creation as much as they would think or like to do? Only time will tell with D2. For D2, fix real bugs, only balance when it is explicitly and extremely required, other than that... get out of the way and let us play D2. 5) Everything Bungie said, implied and even what they did not say in the recent presentation, just screamed, they realize [i]they[/i] are in trouble here. The lack of the in-house crowd cheering during the scripted pauses, was painful to watch, and not hear, of course. But unless Bungie will release data to prove otherwise, that is it, they are in trouble. They have created scenarios that damaged market share, they cater to groups that play only limited aspects of the game, such as 50% attempt at raid, but the real number that is significant is the number of players that complete a raid, I suspect that is only 5% or maybe 10% of the total population of active players, the key word active, finish a raid. I have attempt raids 100s of times, but my experience is that less than 50% of the time we finish a raid. The reasons are many, and vary, but I suspect the experience of most players is similar. And, repeat of a raid is meaningless to market share, just as repeat of content is, re-play ability is a function of community, hence why Bungie stress the community aspect. Lone wolfs rarely replay anything without a very important reward expected. I ask you, did you do the raid for the better loot, or because as a team it was fun? At first it was the loot then it was the fun as a team, right? But even then that is only 5% to 10% of total active players are rewarded fully, that is horrible, no? Don't even get me started on ToO, I am sure the numbers are even worse for ToO. Does not matter how good the loot for flawless is for ToO or ToN now in D2... if the loot is exclusive it hurts market share. 6) Activision, I could careless what $$$ goals they have, but they have all the market data, and sales data, and it has to be clear when and what drives sales and player retention... it is not going cheap, and isolating content for DLCs. DLCs numbers for the industry in total are ugly most of the time. This is why Season Passes are critical, but these appeal only to the die hard fans. When Blizzard did this, there was a major drop off in player scale/volume after the initial burst of sales as each DLC was released, and Blizzard has worked hard to improve player retention via various ways, but it is the open character and weapons markets (real world) that has really kept the player volume up for most MMOs. But it has not been a perfect scenario even for Blizzard, so Bungie can learn from the past and from Blizzard. 7) Last, did anyone else notice that not one game designer or big name significant content provider leader of D1 past, was named as part of the leadership for D2? Why is that? Did they just move on? Yes and no, because some very stupid restrictions they supported or agreed to, hurt D1 in some significant way. For example, the comment that D1 was never intended to have primaries with attributes? Absolutely nuts, that was the entire point of the first 2 raids was it not? And it returned as the end content for D1? Finally? Too little to late, to be sure. New blood is/was required, and so some (I hope) loyal Bungie resources a got a significant opportunity, and they make good on it, as D2 matures. But please, don't ever take primary weapon attributes away again, never repeat that ugly mistake. I have been in IT for over 35 years, a developer, engineer, etc. Have followed video gaming trends, patterns and such since I was a kid. My MBA thesis was on video games selection, preference and popularity as a marketing study, so I feel I know what works and does not for game developers. Hence my comments above.

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            • so in short: if you quit the game your not aloud to critique it, I disagree and I have played all the dlc and all the updates and only recently quit because I have done everything there is to do for me platinum all quests all 400 all 3 classes most exotics extra. but no I can't say bad things about a game I quit,also what about people who quit at vanilla because of the lack of story don't they get a say regardless of the games improvement, what about the people who refused to get the dlc because of personal reasons.

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              • Edited by TheShadow: 6/2/2017 11:01:48 PM
                You mean like PvP gamers that literally complain about every single thing about crucible, that it isn't even a joke? Salt comes from everyone whether Gamers accept that or not. Just some of it is worse then others. Just like your salt in your thread and what I stated about PvP gamers. Edit: no one is excluded from Salt.

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                • Meh trolls are not worth my time, no biggy

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                • I'm still waiting for The Division or (insert game here) to kill destiny

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                  • I already pre ordered the digital deluxe edition for both PSN and Xbox, i am already prepared for all the negative post to start flowing in once D2 is active

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                    • 1) I don't care who buys it and who doesn't. If they don't want to then STFU and don't, all they want is to state their position and bitch and moan as they they think their OPINION counts? They are consumers, so either consume or go pound sand somewhere else. 2) more troll, and whiners will show up as they WAIT in their lawn chairs for this D2 to drop because again they think their OPINION should count for something....still not salty enough because their opinions haven't counted in the first two years of this game... oh well, so they jump on the bandwagon of something else that supposedly does matter to allot of players...these are the no responsibility having, waste their pre-teen and un-evolved pre-adult lives not knowing what the sun feels like or what having a real girlfriend is like. So bottom line boys and girls this is what it's like fir EVERY MMO, so please just note your position in the buy / sale food chain and unless you make the game STFU and play or move on.

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                      • At what point does legitimate criticism become salt?

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                        • Trolling in D2: Guided Games just join a raid and keep dying[spoiler] "sorry guys gotta plug in my controller, sorry guys wasn't paying attention, blame another player for death[/spoiler]

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                        • Im strike master

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                        • People have every right to be on the forums if the do hate it, or love it. The people who care enough to make post like this are the thing that's wrong in this situation.

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                        • I for one am excited but I'm not running around spreading the joyous word either. I'll preordered a deluxe edition, I plan to play and stream the beta, and it's from that I'll let my opinion truly form, from my gameplay, from what I experience. If I like it, than I'll let the hype train leave the station and tell friends about it. If it seems lackluster or full of bullshit I can just cancel my pre order and invest into something different.

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                          • "Whether we wanted it or not, we've stepped into a war with the Cabal on Mars. So let's get to taking out their command, one by one. Valus Ta'aurc. From what I can gather he commands the Siege Dancers from an Imperial Land Tank outside of Rubicon. He's well protected, but with the right team, we can punch through those defenses, take this beast out, and break their grip on Freehold.

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                            • Edited by Crashdogg76: 6/5/2017 10:46:47 AM
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                            • Anyone that doesn't play a particular video game, watch a particular film or tv series have no right to complain about, criticise or review that product. Unless they've experienced it, they need to STFU and crawl back into their mother's womb.

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                            • I've been summoned?

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                            • Anyone remember what Cozmo said bungie did with our feedback on that wish list? Drawing board, something, erased before it ever reaches brainstorming. I don't remember, all I remember is it was pretty harsh what he said they did with most of the ideas imho.

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                            • The graphics seem tweaked for no good reason, and a lot of the designs are getting reworked. Why? Who knows, it's probably for the same reason 343 did it: because they can. I haven't touched the game, I've only seen as much as most people on the forums. My biggest worry is a redo of year one, an absolute mess, but it looks like all the quality of life updates we've been asking for are going into the sequel (which is ass imho). [spoiler]tl;dr I want more gameplay man I gotta see what I'm buying first [/spoiler]

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                              • This is dedicated to all the perv trolls. [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fO7nHRTFLW0[/url]

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                              • You could very well be right. It's too bad it's that way. Mute the trolls and move on.

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                              • Yea if you waste your time on a gaming forum trying not piss people off and you don't even play it, I can already imagine the sad life you're living lol

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