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How to be a Better Raider

I remember way back in Y1 when Vault of Glass dropped. I was running around on Venus doing patrol missions when I came across literally hundreds of raiders pouring into the Vault of Glass. At that time, I didn’t know anybody that played Destiny besides myself and I remember looking forlornly at those that were about to experience one of the best raids to hit Destiny. A few weeks later I jumped in an LFG group and sensing my noobishness, they told me that I need to grab the Relic and run straight into the Templar to take its shield down. It was an embarrassing moment, but at the end of the raid I managed to bag a Y1 Gjallahorn, much to their envious eyes. Now hundreds of raids later, and across two platforms, my clan and myself are now sherpaing new raiders. Let me be honest, Destiny’s raids are some of the best events this game offers. You get some of the best-looking gear, weapons, ships, and sparrows from these events… and of course bragging rights. There is nothing like strolling through the Tower with a Vex Mythoclast strapped to your back. I was one of the first to have one. Yet, despite all of this, many Guardians feel locked out of the raids, as if they are some inaccessible plateau. There are several reasons for this, no friends, no clan, no experience. There is hope though. So, listen up, here a few wonderful tips to help you be a better first time raider and a better raider period. 1. Be Prepared… You prepare by: A. Know what you’re getting into. Unless you are doing a newly released raid, there is absolutely no reason to NOT know the basics of each encounter. If you are playing Destiny, then you have access to the internet (even if it’s McDonald’s Wifi). You have access to the internet, you have access to Youtube. Several streamers including, Planet Destiny, My Name is Byf, Teftyteft Games, and Houndish (just to name a few) all have strat guides for the raids. Watch them. It will help. B. Have a load out that works. What I mean by this, in each raid you are going to need weapons that do two things, add control and boss DPS. So, showing up at the Warpriest with a blue hand cannon, a Telesto, and a Smolderer is probably not going to cut it. I can’t tell you how many times we’ve attempted to sherpa kinderguardians through a raid who didn’t have one or the other, and the encounter didn’t go as planned. How do you get good weapons? When playing solo, whether Crucible or Vanguard Strikes, always use 3 of Coins (you get exotic armor and or weapons). Always have a Crucible/Vanguard rep booster in play. Pick up any respective Crucible Quartermaster bounties and Lord Shaxx weekly bounties. Pick up weekly vanguard bounties. If you can get a few people together, do the weekly Nightfalls. In Y3 you have multiple ways to get good gear, but you have to play. C. Plan your day around your Raid. We all know life events happen, but if you want to realistically complete a raid, make sure you have time to do it. There is nothing more miserable than to just start a raid and thirty minutes in, somebody must leave for lunch. Always plan to commit at least 3 hours of your day for the raid. D. Have the mindset that you are part of a team, not a person to be carried. This is very important. Raids are about teamwork, not carries. Every person in the raid is critical, so pay attention, learn, and grow as a player. And this takes us to my 2nd point… 2. The Raid Team A. A successful raid rises or falls based solely on teamwork. To be a team you need to be organized, have good communication skills, patience, and perseverance. I’m sure we’ve all that those LFG teams where nothing seems to work right. I guarantee you, it’s because they lack one or more of these things above. Yes, skill also plays a part, but if a raid team is organized properly, they’ll always put the less experienced raiders in locations less harmful. Example: Not putting Joe Shmo New Raider on the right side of Vosik’s chamber grabbing front Siva bomb. B. Learn to Flex This is probably the hardest, but ultimately most rewarding aspect to achieve. Flexing is the ability to play several roles. Such as being able to run Relic, being able to sword bear, jump platforms (knowing what counter clockwise is, is always a plus), Rodeoing, Scorch Cannons… ect ect. Why is this important? Many things can happen during a raid and if you are dependent on one or two people being able to perform these tasks, then you are almost guaranteed to fail. Example: Sisters in King’s Fall (drops mic). C. Develop the Raid Team The best raid teams are made up of friends and companions. Reason being, they know each other. They know each other’s strengths and weaknesses and such. Depending on randoms in LFG will almost always be a less than savory experience versus being with those you like. I’m not saying LFG doesn’t have its purpose, but it should be for a temporary need, not a permanent. How do you fix this? 1. Make friends. Yes, it is THAT simple. 2. Join a Clan. Once you have a working team, try to plan raids around their schedules, so that everybody can participate. My raid team is made up of members from around the US and the world and we still find times that are great for everyone. The longer you play with these people the better you’ll get as a team and the more consistently you will be able to complete raids. I’m sure there are more things I can add, but these are my thoughts to help new raiders as well as some vets. Thanks! Now get a raiding! EDIT: Some have pointed out that you shouldn't need to plan a 3 hour window in order to complete a raid. Generally speaking, it shouldn't take 3 hours to complete any of the raids (even King's Fall), but let's be realistic, for most newer raiders this won't be the case. A 3 hour window is a very liberal estimation that should give people ample time to get their team together and complete a raid. The whole point is you shouldn't plan or jump into a raid, if you know in advance you don't have time to complete it. You wouldn't go see a 2 to 3 hour movie (many action movies are pushing that 3 hour window now a days) if you didn't have to time to watch the whole thing, nor go to a football game, if you couldn't stay for the entire sporting event. It IS acceptable though to retire from the raiding event if its going far beyond the call of duty. Such as a raid taking longer than 3 hours to complete. Keep in mind, the above advice that I'm giving is geared more towards newer raiders with newer raiding teams, not to folk who have 400+ raid completions running with mostly pro raiders as well. Obviously you're going to complete most raids within an hour or less.
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  • Did I just read plan your day around your raid?? Jesus that's hilarious like why and who does that? It's a damn game plan real life things enjoy your wife/girlfriend spend time with your kids/family... do real life stuff first never plan you day around a video game that's when you know your life is going down the sh1tter!

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    • I wish I was in a clan that liked to raid and had mature people in it. I was asked to join a clan once because of a pvp encounter. I'm not great but I'm ok at pvp barely play it anymore. But after playing with them for a few hours I was kicked for consistently doing better than one of the admins. So now I'm big on PVE. Having a consistent raid team would be wonderful and I'd be down to teach new guardians the ropes. I just hate going on LFG and joining a "know what to do" post and then Finding out the original one who posted has no clue what to do.

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      • Edited by Not Daijoubu: 4/28/2017 6:47:32 PM
        How to be a better raider: 1. Guard break 2. Hold square/X 3. Repeat until opponent falls off cliff 4. ??? 5. Profit

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      • The worst behavior of all in raids is putting people down and shaming them when they make mistakes. This attitude never helps anything. In fact, it makes it much worse. It turns the Raid team somewhat toxic and are much less likely to work together and succeed. It also makes players nervous instead of having fun like they should be. And usually, the one or two players running their mouths are the ones making the most mistakes. But when they mess up it's all fun and games and no big deal or they got every excuse in the book to prove how it wasn't their fault, including blaming other players. Whenever i come across players like this on raid teams i almost always drop out. If someone on your raid team is struggling it can get frustrating, but the best way to handle it is to give respectful advice on how to improve their game instead of burning them at the stake.

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        • Being flexible and changing your position is something that is not difficult but blows my mind that people can't. Whether it's I always go right in this encounter and am not comfortable going left(even when no mechanics are in play that change from side to side) I understand if you have never run the sword of crota or the aegis before but it's not hard. Just don't limit yourself by refusing to go somewhere you are holding up yourself and the team.

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        • Great advice.

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        • If you play a warlock and consistently use Sunsinger for the self-res, I strongly advise you practice with Voidwalker. It has immense sustain and health management with Embrace the Void. Give it time and you'll never go back. Relying on a self-res ultimately hurts your skill progression as a player. [b]Using your super to give your teammates their super back helps everyone survive easier. Think as a team - not the individual.[/b]

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            If you join an experienced group and lie about your experience you're getting insta-booted. So sick of everyone wasting my time because they won't read the post and lie their way through.

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          • Raid with the same group always if possible , that way you get to know what your groups strengths and weaknesses are. We are (my clan) getting faster and faster the more the 6 of us play

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            • There is no reason to not complete raids in 2 hours or less. I've taken news through VoG, CE, KF in 1.5 hours or less. Usually 45 minutes is normal. News that have average skill and listen.

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              • watching the videos to know the rsid basics/mechanics is huge. Datto is pretty good for figuring out load outs.

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                • Great post!!!! Excellent advice! As yr 1 raider's, I couldn't agree w you more!!

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                • [quote]I remember way back in Y1 when Vault of Glass dropped. I was running around on Venus doing patrol missions when I came across literally hundreds of raiders pouring into the Vault of Glass. At that time, I didn’t know anybody that played Destiny besides myself and I remember looking forlornly at those that were about to experience one of the best raids to hit Destiny. A few weeks later I jumped in an LFG group and sensing my noobishness, they told me that I need to grab the Relic and run straight into the Templar to take its shield down. It was an embarrassing moment, but at the end of the raid I managed to bag a Y1 Gjallahorn, much to their envious eyes. Now hundreds of raids later, and across two platforms, my clan and myself are now sherpaing new raiders. Let me be honest, Destiny’s raids are some of the best events this game offers. You get some of the best-looking gear, weapons, ships, and sparrows from these events… and of course bragging rights. There is nothing like strolling through the Tower with a Vex Mythoclast strapped to your back. I was one of the first to have one. Yet, despite all of this, many Guardians feel locked out of the raids, as if they are some inaccessible plateau. There are several reasons for this, no friends, no clan, no experience. There is hope though. So, listen up, here a few wonderful tips to help you be a better first time raider and a better raider period. 1. Be Prepared… You prepare by: A. Know what you’re getting into. Unless you are doing a newly released raid, there is absolutely no reason to NOT know the basics of each encounter. If you are playing Destiny, then you have access to the internet (even if it’s McDonald’s Wifi). You have access to the internet, you have access to Youtube. Several streamers including, Planet Destiny, My Name is Byf, Teftyteft Games, and Houndish (just to name a few) all have strat guides for the raids. Watch them. It will help. B. Have a load out that works. What I mean by this, in each raid you are going to need weapons that do two things, add control and boss DPS. So, showing up at the Warpriest with a blue hand cannon, a Telesto, and a Smolderer is probably not going to cut it. I can’t tell you how many times we’ve attempted to sherpa kinderguardians through a raid who didn’t have one or the other, and the encounter didn’t go as planned. How do you get good weapons? When playing solo, whether Crucible or Vanguard Strikes, always use 3 of Coins (you get exotic armor and or weapons). Always have a Crucible/Vanguard rep booster in play. Pick up any respective Crucible Quartermaster bounties and Lord Shaxx weekly bounties. Pick up weekly vanguard bounties. If you can get a few people together, do the weekly Nightfalls. In Y3 you have multiple ways to get good gear, but you have to play. C. Plan your day around your Raid. We all know life events happen, but if you want to realistically complete a raid, make sure you have time to do it. There is nothing more miserable than to just start a raid and thirty minutes in, somebody must leave for lunch. Always plan to commit at least 3 hours of your day for the raid. D. Have the mindset that you are part of a team, not a person to be carried. This is very important. Raids are about teamwork, not carries. Every person in the raid is critical, so pay attention, learn, and grow as a player. And this takes us to my 2nd point… 2. The Raid Team A. A successful raid rises or falls based solely on teamwork. To be a team you need to be organized, have good communication skills, patience, and perseverance. I’m sure we’ve all that those LFG teams where nothing seems to work right. I guarantee you, it’s because they lack one or more of these things above. Yes, skill also plays a part, but if a raid team is organized properly, they’ll always put the less experienced raiders in locations less harmful. Example: Not putting Joe Shmo New Raider on the right side of Vosik’s chamber grabbing front Siva bomb. B. Learn to Flex This is probably the hardest, but ultimately most rewarding aspect to achieve. Flexing is the ability to play several roles. Such as being able to run Relic, being able to sword bear, jump platforms (knowing what counter clockwise is, is always a plus), Rodeoing, Scorch Cannons… ect ect. Why is this important? Many things can happen during a raid and if you are dependent on one or two people being able to perform these tasks, then you are almost guaranteed to fail. Example: Sisters in King’s Fall (drops mic). C. Develop the Raid Team The best raid teams are made up of friends and companions. Reason being, they know each other. They know each other’s strengths and weaknesses and such. Depending on randoms in LFG will almost always be a less than savory experience versus being with those you like. I’m not saying LFG doesn’t have its purpose, but it should be for a temporary need, not a permanent. How do you fix this? 1. Make friends. Yes, it is THAT simple. 2. Join a Clan. Once you have a working team, try to plan raids around their schedules, so that everybody can participate. My raid team is made up of members from around the US and the world and we still find times that are great for everyone. The longer you play with these people the better you’ll get as a team and the more consistently you will be able to complete raids. I’m sure there are more things I can add, but these are my thoughts to help new raiders as well as some vets. Thanks! Now get a raiding![/quote] What happens if you clan bullies you

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                  • Good post Fenrir! I'm sorry you have to deal with some boneheads who just want to spam the comments thread. This is all good advice. And a special shout out to the 3 hrs of time mentioned and the "super cool people" who can knock it out in 45 minutes. This is advice for new people not you. Putting aside a decent amount of time creates less pressure and it will be completed quicker. That inevitable life timer the other players can't see is when people start to do stupid stuff. Stuff I would add... 1. Don't talk unless you are doing call outs or it's a casual regrouping spot. Useless chatter keeps people from executing their jobs properly. I've left many a LFG group trying to finish Oryx or Aksis because people feel the need to sing, talk, or scream they are dying. That is a distraction and often leads to broken hearts due to non-completion. (Example: Before activating the light that summons Oryx) 2. Weapon load out is important but so is character load out. Having the right subclass and armor to highlight that subclass is crucial in some of the raids. Also, setting your perks properly for the engagement can make the difference in what you are trying to achieve. (Example: Your Titan should have its Defender class fully maxed out before raiding)...yes, I've been in a raid and the Titan hadn't leveled up their Defender at all, aka Armor of Light doesn't cut the butter. 3. Fun. This goes with your flex or letter B. Nothing is more irritating and counterproductive to raiding and its success than someone who is just getting aggro over things. I've literally been yelled at by someone for dying on Totems when the person in question left before the juice transferred to me. Needless to say, I left right then. Getting angry over people dying is a bit ridiculous. 4. Don't die. This was posted many a time in the comments and it is a good one. Dying creates so many problems for your teammates. Some parts can't be completed if you die and the team needs to wipe. Sometimes players think they are invincible because it can feel that way on patrol or even in strikes. But raids are a different story and the enemy should be respected. Hiding and crouching to get your health back are strong strategic choices while raiding, just be certain to communicate when doing so. Be mindful of your health, change your loadout or perks if needed (aka you feel squishy). Try a different spot to shoot enemies from or just plain crouch. Ask the more experienced players where they stand. (Example: Dying while on your platform just before the last bomb phase during Oryx and the runner plummets to their death is a wipe and tons of time wasted as well as synths and supers. And you just forgot to crouch, silly)

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                  • Edited by DocJer: 4/27/2017 10:52:59 PM
                    Tldr; What you need to finish a raid 1. Be about 390 light 2. Listen and adapt to the group 3. Find some guys with a bit of patience 4. Take a break (or even call it a day) when you get stuck for a while 5. Communicate and be honest Most people fail at point 2.

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                  • Stopped reading at "have 3 hours for a raid" What team takes 3 hours? You're doing something extremely wrong if you're in there for 3 hours and you're not all raid virgins.

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                    • How to NOT be a dick during Raids: 1) Read the recruitment post before joining. "Need to know what to do" If ya don't know what to do, get outta here. No room for carries up in here.

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                    • Edited by wolf: 4/27/2017 6:44:00 PM
                      [quote]Now hundreds of raids later[/quote] I think ur grimore score might be glitched for me because across two platforms you only have like 105 completions.

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                      • Hopefully getting marshawn lynch will help them be a better Raider, and the fact that theyre going to Las Vegas helps a little.

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                      • Step 1. [spoiler]git gud scrub or git rekt [/spoiler]

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                      • Step 1: don't join a raid group that's only stipulation is "know the challenges," and NOT know how to do the challenges. Thanks, -Everyone

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                      • Just to add, only watch byf if you have a morbid desire to get eye, ear and brain cancer.

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                        • I used an lfg group to get me through KF. I explained I had never raided, still new to the game and at that time I was only 1 light level over the recommended so could they teach me. They said fine, no probs. My very first raid was Golgoroths Challenge. I asked for advice on my weapons. No answers. I asked for help on how to do each part. They advised me to kill myself at the start of each encounter and they'd five man it. Nothing was explained and in total it took us almost nine hours from start. And now, I'm teaching myself the mechanics of each raid, weapon and subclass loadouts, and finding people I like to play with and communicate with to do them. It'll still be a hard slog but that way I can share what I've learnt with other people and hopefully pull together an accomplished and fun raid team before D2 drops. Thanks for the advice.

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                          • Very well put and sound advice to even experienced Raiders. Kudos.

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                          • [quote]1. Make friends. Yes, it is THAT simple. 2. Join a Clan.[/quote]

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