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Edited by Cpearson72: 4/23/2017 7:00:41 PM
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The Meta Is Horrible

Welcome ladies and gentlemen, to the worst meta ever. This is so bad that I'd rather play Infinite Warfare then Destiny: Ice Breaker. The loosing special ammo upon re spawn is complete garbage and the laziest patch I have ever seen. The ONLY viable options are the Ice breaker and wormwood. Honestly, they aren't even that good. But, id rather use a gun that actually HAS AMMO. Seriously they are running the damn crucible it's ridiculous. Wormwood isn't even that annoying, its mainly ice breaker which is absolutely infuriating. I've been forced to completely change the way I play because I never have special ammo, I've changed into the "primary meta". Which is completely BS. To tell you the truth I would enjoy a primary meta, if the primary's could kill as fast as year 1. Now I can shoot someone while wiping my ass for an hour and they still won't die. Year 1 had the best meta. Special weapons were still incredible, but the primary's were just as good. Yes, guns like the Thorn and Last word were OP but if they nerfed those and kept everything the same. BAM BEST META EVER, because you could kill somebody in less then a year. What bungie turned this game into is horrifying to even think about. Bungie here's some advice, don't listen to the bitchy people. A gun will always be better then others but that does not mean they are OP. For example, YOU NERFED THE NO LAND BEYOND. THE NO LAND, ITS FUNNY EVEN THINKING ABOUT HOW MUCH YOUR RUINING YOUR GAME. But, you can fix it, ask anyone and they will probably say year 1 was the best. Go back to the roots of destiny with fun guns and higher kill times. This doesn't even feel like the destiny I fell in love with, and give us our special ammo back, please. Now that I have calmed down about this I will take all feedback because this is my opinion and I will respect yours.

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  • Grenades, super and secondaries. Where is that primary meta at again ?

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    • Every new Meta is the worst ever. Suck it up and use what you want.

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    • Day 1 player here, I definitely despise this meta the most compared to any meta I've touched through my 3 years. Ice Breaker, even though I have it, is disgusting. I shouldn't have to rely on that and a NLB if I want to snipe. [i]Ironic thing is, I'm a diehard sniper! lol![/i] I wanna be able to just legitimately use WHATEVER I want like we could during Y1 & Y2. Obviously, Bungie doesn't truly think nor care enough about weapon diversity as much as they say they do.

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    • We did this! Well not all of us but they're are some (you know who you are) that are never happy. Anything that kills them is op or easy mode. Face it some people are just more skilled with certain weapons than others. Like NLB I cannot use that thing for the life of me. But if someone else is wrecking machine with it I say good for them. So remember guns and abilities aren't op it's the people using them.

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      • Worst meta for sure Everyone that says is good are the same people who said to shotgunners "use a primary" yet just camp, never engage, spam stickies and sidearms Lol

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      • I am finding more and more that the people who complain about the current meta were essentially shotgun warriors, or people who just did not know how to primary at all. The current primary meta is fairly balanced out. Sure special is a crapfest, but you know what? The flinch on that Ice Breaker is insane - just fire a few primary rounds - pew pew - and 9 times out of 10 that hardscope hero is showing you his arse as he runs in the opposite direction. Personally, I have had no issues dealing with this new meta at all.

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        • I only asked for a matador 64 nerf, not an entire special ammo nerf.

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        • Edited by RPColten: 4/24/2017 2:33:03 AM
          I'm just going to put this right here and try to keep it on topic. I played a fair-ish amount of Iron Banner. I used the Hunter and solely Gunslinger subclass. I was not 400 light level and flaunted basic New Monarchy gear. I do not have a 400 light-level Ice Breaker nor do I have a 'Wormwood'. I don't use sidearms that often in Crucible, yet I was regularly doing very well and placing on average within the top-3 in the matches. I used my fusion rifle. I used some scout-rifles and hand cannons. I enjoyed myself, so when I see posts like this claiming that the Crucible 'requires' specific gear and specific loadouts I just shake my head because it just isn't true. If it was true, would I have been able to enjoy myself AND do well at the same time? If a person is claiming that they need a specific weapon to do well in Crucible, can that person be labelled as 'skilled' as the community so readily states? Should players that don't have the skill to do well also have access to items to help give them a leg up? I thin so. You say you can [quote]ask anyone and they will probably say year 1 was the best. Go back to the roots of destiny with fun guns and higher kill times.[/quote] Awesome. Some people enjoyed it more and some like it as it is now. I won't deny that many weapons have had reductions in their lethality. Primary weapons are slower to kill and special weapons are less forgiving. This is fact. What [i]isn't[/i] fact however is the idea that it is worse because of it. What has the reduction in lethality done? It has lead a to rise for more strategy between players and more consideration in perks and loadouts. I hear this everytime my friends are going through an Elimination match. I can tell the differnece from now and during House of Wolves. They are more careful and choosing of what they do. The play-by-play aspect has become more focused on the players knowledge of the game and less reliant on the general killing potential of their weapon. Does a faster kill-time lead to a better competitive multiplayer experience? It depends on the context of game for that. Looking at the popular Rainbow 6 franchise, you can see how high lethality can be good. It makes choices more important and actions more impactful. This also works however because of how punishing the game is should I the player make a wrong decision. The risk balances out the power available. Then you look at Destiny and see that there is very little risk in dying (in standard Crucible). During the majority of 2015, players could simply rush around in Crucible matches and get by with little to no repercussions for deciding to act like a lunatic. Were weapons more lethal? Yes. Did it enhance the game-play experience on more tactful level? That's more subjective but some may say no. I'm one of those. Faster kill times don't always equal better game-play experience, on a broad scope. That high lethality needs to be coupled with punishing risks. A tactful and involved game-play experience needs to have rewards for risks taken but also needs to punish players for making the wrong decisions and failing. Destiny's Crucible experience was lacking this and due to the involvement players had with special ammo, that death becomes that much more impactful to the common player. Is the loss of special ammo on death hurting many players? Yes. I view this as evidence to support the idea that special weapons were relied upon too heavily during the course of Crucible and players became too reliant on weapons didn't require as much attention.

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          • Bungie should buff necrochasm and add explosive rounds to it and every time you hit other player it should activate the cursed thrall explosion >:D New meta?

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            • Edited by IHATEPENGUINS25: 4/24/2017 4:38:41 PM
              "year ones meta was the best ever even though last word and thorn were op just nerf those and Bam best meta" 1. You forgot suros and mythoclast those were op as well 2 for specials felwinters lie best sniper in the game (the description says shotgun but that can't be right it made Matador look like a joke. 3. You say year one meta was better yet you also say to nerf the weapons that were super op in year one.........So in other words the best meta we ever had was the one that didn't exist? Plus one sin for contradictory statement. [spoiler]ding[/spoiler]

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              • Spank you ever much!

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              • Couldn't agree more

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              • Crazy, this is the [b]BEST[/b] Meta ever! <3

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                • I refused to play this crucible meta until I realised that the triumphs didnt count my previous ib level 5's. played 2 toons through and then was very relieved to be done. dont see me playing this meta again. moved on to mwr. this meta isnt for me. if it remains in d2 I wont be around past the beta to see it.

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                • When the only weapons being used are Palindrome, ice breaker, and wormwood then there is a problem... I'm not saying nerf these weapons they aren't op at all, they are just the only viable option right now. I'm saying buff other weapons and make it so people can use other specials. I like variety and enjoy being able to use weapons I like to use. I'd honestly rather see people rushing me with a shotty than snipping me with a wormwood.

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                • yeah i think they could have handled special [b]WAYYY[/b] better. I get they are trying to promote primaries, thats cool, i think its great they are doing this. But at least let us keep a fraction of our ammo.

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                • Trials killed the fun

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                  • Every weapon needs to spawn with like half a mag, except sidearms they should keep a whole

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                  • I got my Icebreaker a few days ago and I loved that gun in year 1, it was my first exotic but now I feel like a meta-cheesing scumbag if I use it in PvP, don't want the hassle of spam messages.

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                  • I know! I got my awesome, brand new praedyth's revenge. Took it into a game of control. Instantly got stuck. Lost my 12 bullets. Had to switch to ice breaker.... I haven't used any special other than icebreaker and the wormwood for over 2 months.

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                    • ice breakers and wormwoods everywhere, specially in trials the game it's not that funny as it used to be

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                    • I can live with this meta If ice breaker was not here And sidearm had zero ammo on death

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                      • Edited by vD00M: 4/24/2017 1:56:33 PM
                        I agree. Bungie has always taken the approach blanket nerf to achieve balance. Best example is to blanket nerf all autos when Suros Regime was strong. Autos never recovered where Bungie could have addressed the specific weapons or auto archetypes that where too strong not just reduce damage on all of them by 15%.

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                      • Bungie is trash

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                      • ALL metas are bad if only a sub set of weapons are viable there is a problem.

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                      • If you do not like the meta, go and play something else. That is what I had to do during the shotgun meta. This meta is the most balanced PvP has been in a long time, so adjust or move on. By the way, they nerfed NLB, because everyone was asking for it to be nerfed... Think about that for a minute.

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