What I hate about the special ammo nerf is who it punishes. Yes, it punishes those who used their special as a primary. BUT, it also punishes well-behaved players, players who mained their primary but relied on their special for special situations. That's the problem: we didn't do anything wrong, and our ability to play the game was compromised. We already had two "power-ups", heavy and supers. We didn't need a third. Because of this hateful new meta, my Guardian is at reduced combat effectiveness every time he dies. Moreover, my ability to gain advantage through strategy (i.e., putting together a well-balanced loadout) no longer exists either. I refuse to make an unreliable weapon part of my general battle plan. In retaliation for Bungie's decision to punish me (and those like me) without cause or need, I henceforth refuse to play the way they want. And I applaud those who do the same. Ice Breakers, No Lands, Invectives, stickies, wombos, whatever: if is not "approved", I welcome it!

I actually like the nerf because now gun skill is more important as well as choosing the right weapon for your playstyle and the map at hand. I think this is the best state of special ammo economy there has been but it could be better. Here's my solution: shotguns, snipers and fusion rifles should always spawn with one or two rounds. I think that would probably be the perfect balance (pun intended, sorry).

Bungie doesn't care anymore. If they did, they would've made a crucible playlist where you keep special ammo. I guarantee you that the population of that playlist would be much higher than any other. With all of the things they updated with Ages of Triumph, it would have been nice to see a legacy" crucible playlist that played like Desinty did for the first 2.5 years of existence.

The patch watered the game down even more an dmade it boring to me but pve is fun to me and the age of triumph is great for that but for my pvp I'm playing titanfall 2

Regardless of whether it makes the game fun to play or not, I think it is the wrong move for the game. I get what they want: They want the special weapon to be used sparingly or strategically and they want people to rely on their primary. The problem is that there are a few weapons that don't play by normal rules, and so they end up dominating the meta (icebreaker, NLB, sidearms, etc.). We can have a primary weapon driven meta where people actually WANT to use a primary weapon or we can have a primary weapon meta where people are FORCED to use the primary weapon. And Bungie has decided to force us to use the primary weapon. The main problem with this is that they are trying to impose classic halo-esque combat where power weapons were available on a limited basis, and everyone had to use what are effectively "primary" weapons to duke it out. Kill times were slow, but that was fine given the fact that spartan's couldn't sprint, rocket jump, evade, etc. In Destiny, guardians move faster, can sprint, have sudden change of direction abilities, including evade, can close the gap on their target much faster, etc. So slow kill times don't really make sense. In Y1, you could get away with using a primary because kill times were a little bit faster so it was easier to kill even a moving guardian and because the power gap between primary vs. secondary was smaller, you were not as heavily disadvantaged. In Y2, when they slowed primary kill times, people switched to secondary weapons because primary weapon combat was so slow that you were at a major disadvantage accept if someone was coming at you with a primary weapon in hand. So regardless of whether you find the current meta fun or not, the main problem isn't solved. They keep imposing a playstyle on the game that doesn't fit THIS game, which is why there are so many problems in PVP. They want this game to play like halo, to be like halo was in its glory days. But this game isn't halo. They need to embrace the game for what it is in PVP: a faster paced arena shooter. If you accept that it is a game that plays faster, then it doesn't matter if primary weapons have faster ttk's because it fits the game that they built.

No clue why sucky side arms have ammo on respawn. Also no clue why Bungie haven't restore special ammo in pvp to what it was like before... since it's clear that most of us ABSOLUTELY HATE IT the way it is now.

In a game with such slow TTK one hit kill abilities and weapons have to be limited.

This is bs having to get special ammo on death! Just leave us with one clip no matter what the gun that is fair.

Slightly agree - I wish the crates loaded the weapon automatically instead of having to reload and sidearms need a re work on keeping all the ammo. Sad to never see fusions and 99% of the snipers (except ice breakers)

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