Using p2p in this day and age really speaks to how -blam!-ing cheap you have to be. A $500 million dollar budget and you can't afford your own -blam!-ing servers? Get out.

The majority of Destiny's PVP (and PVE) lag is a result of the "shared world shooter" method that they use to connect us to one another and manage gameplay in destiny. Destiny is not P2P only. Destiny uses a P2P physics host AND an activity host running in the cloud. Both hosts synchronize and are each responsible for different aspects of gameplay. The physics host is a player, and has a tickrate of 1/30th of a second. The physics host is basically responsible for the locations we see players, and weapon lof. The activity host runs at a tickrate of 1/10th of a second. The activity host synchronizes game environment object status (doors, ammo crates), but also generates the kill feed, and awards hit points for bullet strikes. The activity host is NOT the "Destiny servers" that stores our progress/gear, and account details. The Destiny servers are permanent server banks owned by Bungie, and communicate through the activity host. http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1022247/Shared-World-Shooter-Destiny-s Dedicated servers would not do anything unless they ditched the "shared world shooter" net code. A pure P2P connection would work better than what we have now, because it is not a traditional P2P system. What we have is a mess.

Bump

Looks at the bottom left of his Destiny case, *reads Activision.... Yeah not happening in our lifetime

Actually good story, please

I'll just be happy with 60 fps

I play solo and the enemies are always spawning behind me when I'm in the middle of fighting one enemy already. Or the maps are so small the enemy team has already made a circle around the map and is now team shooting me in my respawn. Bungie needs to figure out a better spawning system in D2, and figure out a way to encourage more one on one battles instead of team shooting as that to me takes no skill. Some objectives take team work but this whole team shooting nonsense is boring. If you think about it teams of 2 to 3 running around have 400 to 600 health and when they are all team shooting a 200 health guardian that guardian doesn't stand a chance. Connections also make it impossible to tell who exactly has skills in this game. Which is not fun for competitive people like me, who just want a fair chance and if the other player's connections are screwing with MY hit registration, well then, that isn't so fair now is it? Do you have better skills than me or just a poor connection to where my bullets disappear into thin air? If my aim is on point you should be dying no excuses. My aim should determine my skill. My precision shots should determine my skill. My tactics should determine my skill. My bullets should determine my skill! I can't stand the RNG based shooting and connections in Destiny's pvp right now. They better invest in dedicated servers and have better net coding in Destiny 2 and that's all I'm going to say. Right now K/d and Elo mean NOTHING with p2p connections. I'm sorry to burst people's bubbles who think they are the shiz for having high stats but it means nothing right now! Wait till the connections aren't a deciding factor and I won't care who has the better skills. Give me a fair playing field and let me prove to you how good I really am. All my negative k/d games have been terrible connections. No thank you!

Please for everyone that has to listen to you..... go educate yourself on what the realities are behind dedicated servers in a game like this. Don't reply to me because I will not teach a class over a forum. Just go educate yourself on this. If you do, if you really do, you will certainly have a different conversation. Best of luck.

If its not a thing, Will it be a deal breaker for you guys? Just wondering.

Yes!!! This has to happen. I can't even play Destiny right now. Right around the time this last patch dropped, I started going redbar all the time. I got a new router, raised my internet package, I've gone through every point in my setup, done speed tests, talked to my ISP, gone through all of Bungie's Network Troubleshooting Guidelines... nothing has changed. I'm still going redbar. It's driving me insane. Before the last patch, I used to never go redbar, ever. My setup now, is the best it can be, but it hasn't remedied the situation. It has to be the type of connections that Destiny requires, or whatever. I don't know, but every other game that I play is perfectly fine. The thing that those games have that Destiny doesn't? Dedicated servers. Dedicated servers need to be in D2, or I won't even buy it, because I don't wanna risk buying a game that I won't even be able to play.

Chiming in for the others, bump for Bungie. No dedicated servers, no D2 for me.

Agreed had some terrible lag last night where the enemy team won because they were teleporting around the map.

Not just PvP, ALL ACTIVITIES (i.e. Campaign, patrol, strikes, raids, Crucible, ToO, IB and SRL at least) need to have Regional Dedicated Host Servers. I am so done with their 2008ish Halo Era Peer to Peer one console hosts the game crap. When you play a shared activity like Crucible, Strikes and Raids all it takes is 1 red barred player to get teleporting unkillable enemies and game stuff not registering (i.e. opening doors, jumping on plates, shooting doors, falling through plates etc.). I have had so many Raids fail not because of skill or light level, simply because one person goes red to yellow bar and then it turns into a fecal storm of broken game responses. So unless BungleVison grows a pair of Desticles and has Regional Dedicated Host Servers in Destiny 2.0, I will refuse to buy it.

I rather D2 be 60fps above anything else .