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Edited by DarthBrando:
11/13/2016 12:05:09 AM
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cuz if no one does; those kids can't get jobs and end up getting into crime and guns and shoot up your street an steal shite n kill ppl.
^---> not a joke; look at Mexico or India or China, that junk happens
edit; nvm mexico, they have free education
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In Mexico there is free education... Source: I live in Mexico.
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fair point then sorry, i thought was not the case my mistake
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It's okay. We always learn something new. :)
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i dont think anyone truly thinks public school shouldnt exist, just that its either: A: made private and therefore competitive like college (terrible idea IMO) or B: improved drastically to actually educate students so you can leave PE (public education) doing taxes, health insurance, politics, and family properly. and of course be able to get into about 85% of jobs without a $20k additional education.
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private and charter school cost $$$ to send kids to; money each parent sending a kid must pay. if you privatize every school; 40% of the USA public will not be able to afford to send their child to school.---> its been proven multiple times by the department of labor and the department of education. maybe look into it pls.
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thats why i said i dont support privatization of education
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well privatization of education is what OP topic is about
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psycho nerd or you? psycho is saying privatized education is bad
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then i misunderstood the topic i guess sry its been few days
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lots of back and forth throughout this topic. his argument was that free education for young students helps everyone more than some people think putting it simply. I prefer option B, just improve and streamline our current education style
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well idk; im from the school of thought of Noam Chomsky to this point; 1950-1973 USA had a poorer society that had pretty much free college education system (as in they already very much did have it) today we have a FAR richer society that claims it doesn't have the resources so yea it's entirely BS on why we don't currently have it.
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the resources are no excuse, we need very little actual resources to educate properly. we have the funds, its just spread out incorrectly. the real issue is that public education doesnt not give you practical information or knowledge for any modern career
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you're missing the point; from 1960-1972 we had pretty much free college and university/vocational trade education for any US citizen. we literally basically had free college around 1972-1976 colleges and universities changed funding policies from relying on government funding to relying entirely on tuition based funding and the cost of a college degree literally shot up 2000% per year on tuition cost alone. we had free higher education in this country when this country was far poorer than it is now. the only reason we don't have it now is that colleges and universities would become services again instead of privately for profit run entities which they are now.
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i get the point, i was adding to it. also, we can restructure our lower education to make that more valuable. There really is no excuse for college being the way it is, its absurd.
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Edited by DarthBrando: 11/13/2016 5:47:02 AMthe reason it is the way it is now; it's an industry producing a product---> debt laden corporate workforce you provide that workforce with too much knowledge and it becomes self sufficient; meaning they would have no need to work for a corporation or company and could go into business for themselves so they need to dumb down certain aspects of the education system or they would defeat the purpose of having had institutionally industrialized the system entirely.
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fair enough, it works well with capitalism. I, personally, would like to have left high school (being 18) with all the education requirements for an associates, starting an engineering degree. might be wishful thinking, but its an efficient method.
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with college in USA if u have to take on debt in order to pay tuition---> don't go. you can literally get a better education at the public library using the isbn look up and book request/library sharing done at every public library in the nation. a library card doesn't cost 50,000-250,000$ for a 4 year education; its usually 10-30$ a year instead. yea you won't have professionals you can ask questions or do hands on work with; but you can literally read all the same books and learn all the same information. it just may take a little longer doing it on ur own but you will save the equivalent of buying a house on money saved in the long run.
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true, but its hard to tell an employer you know what youre doing without that shiny piece of paper. it makes no sense to get into colleges that are expensive. "i need a great job to pay for college, but i need a college degree to get that job." and if you have the job to afford college chances are youre gonna stay there whether you get a degree or not.
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the thing about college in USA a TWO year degree costs 20,000-120,000$ so there's no such thing as inexpensive college unless you get scholarship use a GI bill or you are lucky enough to live in a state where tuition is free for residents (you own a property and have lived there as a legal citizen for 3-5 years in that state) as for college education; it's not supposed to be a tool to get you a corporate job; it's supposed to be a tool you use to become either a corporate executive, a director/supervisor of personnel or resources or an engineer or you use it as credibility for investment backing to start your own business/practice. like pre 1987 you did not need a 2 or a 4 year degree at ALL unless you were doing those things i just described.
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the issue now is if you dont have that degree you are automatically last on the list for employment
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yea that's how it works now due to corporate corruption its not supposed to work that way
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Happens everywhere
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[quote]private and charter school cost $$$ to send kids to; money each parent sending a kid must pay. if you privatize every school; 40% of the USA public will not be able to afford to send their child to school.---> its been proven multiple times by the department of labor and the department of education. maybe look into it pls.[/quote]
