If you even want to use a fusion rifle you NEED a god roll. No weapom should need a god roll to just to be good.

Well, part of it is, Fusion rifles basically are more accurate to how real world shotguns work. The range and scatter is accurate. A shotgun has a scatter pattern and range that your best use is going to be 20 to 50 yards unless you're using slugs... The shotguns in destiny are useless at anything over about 10 to 15 feet from target. The issue is, ever since the beginning, game designers have had a significant misunderstanding of how shotguns work and it shows here. There were ways they could balance the shotgun as a primary.. They just kinda chose to go with the "video game standard" shotgun instead of one based on logical physics. But yes, we could use some changes to fusion rifles...Maybe have different kinds of fusion rifles for instance... Some that fire bolts, some that fire a single projectile that's high damage low velocity making it harder to hit with, Would be fun to see one that shoots chain lightning though that would have to be exotic..

Ideas for new perks: [b]Kinetic Induction[/b] [i]This weapon charges faster while sprinting, jumping and sliding.[/i] [b]Interchangeable Core[/b] [i]This weapon's elemental alignment can be set as desired.[/i] [b]Down-cycle Routine[/b] [i]Grants a brief period of invisibility after expending magazine.[/i] [b]Atomic Recycling[/b] [i]Each bolt fired that does not hit a target grants a chance at generating ammunition in the reserve.[/i] [b]Super-conductor[/b] [i]Reduces magazine size, adds 3 additional bolts to each volley.[/i] [b]Planned Expenditure[/b] [i]Getting a kill with this weapon instantly reloads your primary weapon.[/i]

I run whatever weapon is appropriate. If it's CQC is a shotgun, long range sniper and short to mid range an FR and that's for all events. Most bosses that I can get within range I prefer a FR to a sniper or shotgun. If you are looking to run CQC with an FR then you need Plan C, it's what it is designed for. Sure it has a lot of range and reduced spread. The perks that sets it apart is the quick charge when switching weapons. The coils are immediately charged and can outgun and outrange any shotgun. I stopped using it because it was dominating my kills, rarely relying on my primary except to switch in and out to charge Plan C.

1.) Rangefinder increases the speed of the bolts. 2.) braced frame / rifled barrel Literally almost exactly like handcannons as far as perk needs. These are similar to what counterbalance is to auto rifles..... .... and headseeker/counterbalance with braced frame is to pulse rifles. Though I do feel that theses perks on fusions don't stand out anywhere near as much those perks do on those primary weapons. I think the reality is fusion rifles will always be impossibly hard to balance and it is probably better for the Crucible as a whole for them to not be overpowered ever again like they were back in Year 1 Destiny (similar to shotguns).

Fusions best perks are stability and range... stability tightens spread and range increases bolt speed. Rangefinder, braced frame, smallbore, hot swap, all are good picks for a fusion. The biggest problem for fusions is not something you can grind for... it's the awful hit detection. There are so many times where you'll hear 6 bolts hit and they take damage from 2.

More fusion rifles need to be able to roll with counter balance. Currently, only the crucible vendor one can. Also, coils should not "disappear" when you die. Trading with a fusion rifle almost never occurs for this reason. With that: Range is more important that stability. Stability can be adjusted for with "thumb skill." Focus 100% on range and consider stability a secondary stat to range. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYvv_4Drp9Y

Dude.....Seriously......Where the Hell is your Punctuation?

I'm a shotgun user for pvp and pve usually but for Thorn I used the a void Forge fusion Saladin's Vigil with nearly max impact and stability (hand laid stock, battery, range finder). That thing wrecked at a further range than shotguns can.

Everybody is talking about fusion rifles and trys to compare them with shotguns ... BUT all off u guys are missing one little detail ! Im here to tell u guys about the real problem but first let me talk about what i think about fusions. 1. I love playn fusions in pvp/pve/trails (got flawless with it) 2. Dmg is good and u can kill with it sometimes on good range (pve/pvp) 3. Many more fanboy stuff... And here comes the real deal all of u have to think about: Shotgun -> rt -> kill. Fusion rifle ->think about the right timing->find the right timing->press and hold rt-> kill ... or not if one bolt didnt hit. Deal with it.

Hot swap

No buffs no nerfs, just new content? I fuqn love you! Only idea on the forums i agree with.

Thing is they're just so inconsistent and the fact that if multiple targets are in your area you can get destroyed.

So... Nerf fusion rifles?

I don't play Destiny anymore, but I played back in Y1 when Fusion Rifles were easy and fun to use and I played during every period after in which they were nerfed to oblivion. Fusion rifles are good right now. They really are. In the hands of a skilled user, they can flat out wreck you. The problem? It takes a significant amount of skill and practice in order to make the best use of these weapons. Due to the high learning curve for these weapons, most people are unwilling to put in the time and effort to practice with them, to learn the strengths and weaknesses of their particular fusion rifle (based on archetype and weapon stats), and they are just so inconsistent, partially due to lag issues, that you are at a real disadvantage while using one. Most people don't want to put that kind of thought or effort into a weapon - so they choose one that is relatively easy to use. Shotguns, Snipers, even Sidearms, are all relatively easy to use. I'm not talking about the process of aiming, closing in on your target, etc. that is a different discussion. I'm talking from a functional level, the guns are easy to use in that you point it at your target and pull the trigger. The game goes through its mathematical formula taking into account distance, armor, bullet spread, recoil, etc., and you get damage or a kill. It's basic snapshot shooter physics at its finest. Fusion rifles are different. They function similar to a shotgun in that they have beam spread rather than pellet spread, and you need to land a certain number of streams in order to do fatal damage. However, they also have stream travel time which can vary from FR to FR, AND they also have the issue of vanishing streams (if you get killed while in the process of shooting). Stack on top of that the fact that the streams come out in succession rather than instantly in a single shot like a shotgun, and you can see why using a FR could be frustrating. There are so many factors you have to consider and compensate for when using one. With all of these factors, its easy to pick up a FR, try it out a few rounds, and come to the conclusion that they suck. It's just too difficult for the average player to master. This is why few people consider them a viable alternative. Furthermore, it takes some research time to learn how each weapon stat (range stability, impact, etc) effects your weapon's performance. I don't want to have to put in that kind of effort in order to get my gun to perform. I just want to pick it up and see if it is fun to use. If it is, then I'll use it. If not, I won't. Bottom line? If they want FR's to be more popular and more widely used, they need to make them more user friendly. It's always going to take time to master the charge time of your chosen FR, but it shouldn't take much more than that. IMO, they just need to reset FR's to how they were before all the mega nerfs hit in Y1. I still remember having a blast with my void 77 Wizard. It was so powerful that as a level 29, I could kill a lemon barred Praetorian in the VoG, and because it had Armor Piercing Rounds, the stream would often carry through and kill things behind it as well. It was a beast of a gun and it got me through the majority of the Thorn Bounty. A LOT of fun and one of my all-time favorites. But I dismantled it after FR's were nerfed to the point they were no longer competitive.

just fyi, shotguns do not get better with full auto, even after changes it makes your spread/range worse in the end. rather all you need for a good shotgun is high impact (matador), agg ballistics, rifled barrel, rangefinder...after that its arguable that something like performance bonus is great but its somewhat opinion related..kinda similar to handcannons once you get a med rof handcannon with rifled/rangefinder the third perk is usually player preference from a small list. fusions you want range then stability, prioritizing range, its really that simple. saladin's vigil is a little long on the charge but if you adapt to it and you have say...rifled and hotswap, you can map people reliably as its a 4 bolt kill.

I wreaked havoc in the last IB using Darkblades Spite, little slow on the charge rate but the range was decent enough and got the better of shotty b*tches 8/10 times... I feel it's harder to be good with a fusion than with a shotty, there is a slight bit of anticipation when your going through close quarter sections so your reactions need to be that little bit faster!