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Edited by Joyaboi: 9/14/2015 3:19:16 AM
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The Traveler Is Evil?!

I was going along the Destiny Database when this caught my eye. The rare artifact- the Trinary Star- "We were fools to trust this god- machine. This bringer of death and Darkness." This "god machine" instantly jumps out as the Traveler and it is a long held theory that it is evil and, in fact, has brought the darkness to us. But this is not obviously 100%. Off my head there are one or two sects that believe the Traveler is evil. Binary Lazarus and/ or the Thankonaughts. It also may well be the Eliksni, who once had the Traveler (great machine) and it abandoned them for some reason. Any one of these could be who is saying it. There is also the slim chance it is referring to some other god machine. Believe what you want. All will be reviled in time

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  • In the original story the black garden was in the traveler and the traveler was evil

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  • I'm not sure yet, but there are a lot of hints in the game and grimoire that lean in that direction. I read a warlock grimoire where the warlock had a dream/vision of walking through the black garden. A ghost was sitting in the thorns, and the ghost told him he wasn't welcome, for he is the walking dead, brought back by a dead technology, and brings only death. The black garden is for life only... The Fallen are actually the Eliksni. The Traveler visited the Eliksni before us, and "The Great Whirlwind" occurred, causing the Eliksni to sin and become the Fallen. Was "The Great Whirlwind" the darkness? Or something unrelated? Anyway, the Traveler abandoned the Eliksni/Fallen after the Great Whirlwind. But when the darkness came for us, the Traveler stayed... Fun to think about!

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    • I believe (didn't come to this conclusion entirely on my own) that us guardians are doing the "right," thing. I do not however believe that the speaker is innocent. I think the Vex are our race when focused on the harmony of combining man and machine. The cabal could potentially be our civilization if we were entirely militarized. Nothing really for the hive except for maybe some freak accident. The fallen, well idk... Now we start the game being reborn. We have no idea where we fall on the span of time. Where my final thoughts in the story of destiny lie is that all of these races are trying to stop the destruction that is mankind and that we have tried many times to stop it. That's the only reason I think they were able to get Paul McCartney onboard. In conclusion I think it's like an awareness thing idk

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      • It sure looks like a low orbit death star to me! Send in Red squadron to drop a torpedo down the poop port.

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      • The warlock vanguard Ikora and her hidden hand don't trust the traveler. They are also associated with Osiris who defiantly doesn't trust the traveler.

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      • The Eliksni are the Fallen, and yes, the travler confronted the fallen before the humans, Variks said something about how they were abandoned because of thier "sin". The Trinary Star was a cult exiled from the tower for thier blasphemous accusations of the Speaker and Traveler. Outside the lore, unless Destiny is Rated M arounr year 5 or 6, it's not possible, the concept of betrayal is only allowed in M rated games, so right now, no.

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        • Edited by KhorosheyRabotnik: 9/14/2015 3:45:16 PM
          The traveler, in the original story line, was the evil. And the vex were humans seeking immortality, and Kant the legionless gives you super good advice in his dying breath in a big cinematic in the vault of glass, and the queens brother captures you on earth... There exist a [i]lot[/i] of these threads covering all of this information if you look hard enough for them. They usually are found in attempted lawsuit threads against bungie, if you start there and go looking. The game changed a lot since 2013, and I a [i]metric -blam!- ton[/i].

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        • Edited by Skyrender6: 9/14/2015 2:32:36 PM
          That's an artifact of the Trinary Star, which was an organization that rejected the Traveller and believed it to be an evil entity. They're a cult. The Trinary Star is also featured in a hunter's cloak that's sold by the Speaker (well, now sold by Eva actually) and featured a skeleton of an elk on a triangle. So it doesn't prove that the Traveller is evil, it just sheds some more light on one of the various factions/organizations/cults/organizations that developed after the collapse.

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        • Just to clarify, it doesn't say the traveler is evil. It says it's a bringer of death and darkness. Grimoire says that the light of the traveler shines like a beacon through the void, attracting all who see it. Think like a candle in the dark. The candle light itself may not be evil, but what it attracts definitely may be. The traveler, even if well intentioned, definitely attracts darkness and death. The fundamental problem I have with the traveler is evil theory, is why the golden age? Why the terraforming? Why the grimoire symbolism of the gardener and cultivation? None of that makes sense if the traveler is evil. I have a feeling it is more complicated than that. That said, if the traveler is part of the darkness, my best theory is that the darkness needs light to consume in order to exist, and that the traveler is a gardener, basically just "growing" light so the darkness can consume it. And our golden age was lighting the candle so the darkness knew where to go.

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          • The Traveler borrowed 20$ from me and he never gave them back

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            • The story of Destiny is about Sir Isaac Newtons 3rd law of motion. "For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction" For the Traveler to terraform multiple planets and give them a livable atmosphere and catapult humanities technology light speeds ahead of its time would be a huge undertaking This action that the Traveler did has a consequence however. It has a opposite reaction to its "blessings" it gave us. It's rival, The Darkness. It is our [i]Destiny[/i] to discover this, and stop the Traveler from doing this again. It doesn't mean evil, but it's actions is what creates it.

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            • [quote]All will be relieved in time[/quote] What I tell myself in the car when I gotta go REALLY bad but don't want to stop.

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              • [quote]I was going along the Destiny Database when this caught my eye. The rare artifact- the Trinary Star- "We were fools to trust this god- machine. This bringer of death and Darkness." This "god machine" instantly jumps out as the Traveler and it is a long held theory that it is evil and, in fact, has brought the darkness to us. But this is not obviously 100%. Off my head there are one or two sects that believe the Traveler is evil. Binary Lazarus and/ or the Thankonaughts. It also may well be the Eliksni, who once had the Traveler (great machine) and it abandoned them for some reason. Any one of these could be who is saying it. There is also the slim chance it is referring to some other god machine. Believe what you want. All will be reviled in time[/quote] ITT: People who never knew the original story to Destiny. Like how the traveler and speaker were supposed to be bad guys. Lol.

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                • The Cult Of The Trinary star are probably crazy.

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                  • Edited by Antares-3: 9/14/2015 11:04:20 AM
                    Check out the cult of the trinity star for hunters. They believe that your speaker has lead you astray. Ashtray. Astray.

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                  • Edited by Fal Chavam: 9/14/2015 4:06:36 AM
                    The mythoclast. What would compel a, practically transcend species to fit their instruments of war for us lesser species who work under their "Foe". It's all a play, the traveler is the composer, the vex are the strings, we, are the puppets. I feel like the vex are going to get sick of being the strings.

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                    • Would say he is evil so dark he despises other evil? [spoiler]Am guessing the real reveal is going to be that aside from the Hive, no one is actually "evil". It is all about choices each side has to make for survival. The darkness has a different face and name from each race's perspective. We will all do heinous shit in the name of extinguishing our own darkness.[/spoiler]

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                    • The cult of the trinary star believ the traveler is evil. Oddly enough, the speaker sells their cloak.

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                      • I think by destiny 2 we realize it's evil, but it moves on, convinces another alien race it's good, and we are the darkness, and we team up with the fallen or something to destroy it. But it's just a theory who really knows?

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                        • Just replayed the initial Venus mission. When the stranger's talking about the vex "evil so dark it despises other evil" Hmmm

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                        • I'm evil

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                        • The hunter has a yr 1 hunter cloak sold by the speaker called "cult of the trinary star"

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                        • There's OG concept art showing the Black Garden is curved, as in its inside the lining of a giant sphere. So OG story, maybe they are bringing it back, is that the black garden is the heart of the traveler. There's much to support that the Traveler, Speaker, even us, the Guardians, are bred from the darkness.

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                        • Come on, you were never spooked by the speaker?

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                          • I'm not even sure if they're going along with the original story. That is to say, in the original story, the Traveller did seem to have an ulterior motive, but this, along with other things were cut. However, it would seem that stuff from the grimoire stayed in tact, so at this point only time will tell what Bungie will do with the direction of the story.

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