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3/25/2015 9:57:52 PM
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Punish players for what?
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  • Read the post.

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  • I did read the post. Still not sure what they should be punished for. You don't know why they are quitting. One you are assuming guilt. Two, even if they do quit so what? Players have a right to stop playing a game in their own home for whatever reason. Do you really want people you don't see or talk to controlling how you play games or what you decide to do in your own home? Think before you speak. These ban ideas are dumb, and they only lead to more problems then solutions.

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  • Well said.

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  • Edited by ManiacalMaestro: 3/25/2015 10:17:37 PM
    If you had read the post like you claim then you'd of seen " Now I'm an understanding person -- sometimes things happen and for whatever reason a player needs to gtfo the game; but, I'm betting the number of leavers I've seen haven't left due to some unforeseeable happenstance. They're rage-quitters" -- "To that end, I propose soft bans on queuing for further crucible matches, with ascending lockout-timers based on the frequency a player is leaving their games" If a player doesn't have time to finish their match for a legitimate reason then they obviously aren't going to be queuing for another match within the aforementioned time frame. In case you skipped that bit as well " Something along the lines of 2min lockout for pvp queue after the first offense, 4 minutes the second time, 8 minutes the third, 8 minutes the fourth (final warning), and 16 minutes for all further offenses". These aren't radical perma-bans, they won't effect players with legitimate reasons for leaving, and the 'debuff' would have it's stacking penalties decline over the course of an hour.

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  • No you just aren't hearing me. I don't care what you post because what you are posting has no merit. These are not offenses. You are placing guilt on people with nothing but speculation. This is a self involved childish post made by a child. You don't have the right to police how others wish to play a damn video game. Quitting happens and there is nothing wrong with it.

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  • Edited by ManiacalMaestro: 3/25/2015 10:47:22 PM
    Yet another individual that thinks dismissing my argument and trying to validate their opinion with as hominem somehow strengthens their position. Yet, if anyone seems like a child -- it's you. You assume far too much and present far too little in your assertions. At no time did I say that players need to be 'policed', yet you seem very desperate to push that gross misrepresentation of my argument. Also, what little bit of conjecture you did offer against my points are purely anecdotal and subjective. Furthermore, your wild assertion that "quitting happens and there is nothing wrong with it" implies leaving is somehow anything other than a degradation to an on-going match. To put it bluntly: if you don't have time to see a match through to the end then you had [b][i][u]no[/u][/i][/b] business queuing for one in the first place. Your desire to be a degenerate force within Destinys community not withstanding, 5 other players shouldn't have to eat shit just because of your entitlement. Lastly, "you place guilt with nothing but speculation". What -- [b][i][u]what[/u][/i][/b] is there to speculate on? You left -- you degraded everyones experience. The idea you should be free to just do it repeatedly and unabated until you find a match where you can stand on your teammates shoulders for a win is asinine and willfully ignorant.

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  • Edited by Scorpius XX1: 3/26/2015 5:09:18 AM
    I am not surprised by these ridiculous assertions on your part. And that is just what they are. Ridiculous. First of all I didn't dismiss your argument, I have seen these kind of posts before, so I gave them their due diligence. However as I said they have no merit. They assume a great deal. Secondly my rebuff was not an ad hominem attack. A little hint, just because you can use big words in a post does not mean those words are relevant to the discussion. Thirdly yes, in effect you are saying they need to be policed. Double talk can't hide the fact that, that is exactly what you are saying. Soft bans are still bans, timers are still timers. Also I didn't make any anecdotal statements of any kind. I made no analogies nor did I give specific examples of anything. Again, use of a word that has no bearing on anything I said. Also, it's not subjective in any way when you are discussing the idea of policing players, that is something that affects everyone. It's a general problem not a subjective one. If Bungie decides you are right this requires new code, it requires patches, updates, installs, etc. Not to mention a more nuanced look at reporting. This causes glitches, lag, error codes, which ironically could be one of the reasons players are departing in the first place. I was doing Crota yesterday when I got an error code and was kicked, listening through my headset I heard my teammates say I had departed. As for degradation to the match and teammates, wild and excessive use of a word that has no place in this discussion. Nobody is playing for money here, and most people that are matched are not even friends. To say that someone should sit in a match where they are constantly getting destroyed for the sake of being a team player is lunacy. Lets not forget most of these players have bounties, they are trying to protect progress in some cases due to deductions resulting from death. As for entitlement lol, yeah I am entitled to play or participate in any type of home entertainment that I pay for, in any way I see fit. I don't answer to you, I don't answer to the other five players. besides, if you want to be treated as a teammate you first have to act like one. A nice sentiment but I think we both know most players outside of friends and groups are in this because they only care about themselves. Umm yeah also it is important to first know why someone leaves. You can't just make blanket accusations and go, this one is banned, this one is banned etc. Especially after you just said '' I understand that sometimes people get called away. blah, blah.'' So which is it? A bold effort, but quite frankly just about all of your post was nothing but a mismash of uneducated, uniformed useless drivel that in no way helped you make any kind of case for justification. Sorry but you failed. Live and let live. You will be a happier dude, dude.

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  • I'm going to skip the pointless micro-aggressions and get right to the heart of the matter. [b]You don't agree.[/b] You don't agree because you feel entitled to leave games and thereby degrade the experience of your fellow players. Unfortunately, in this instance reason dictates your right to leave is out-weighed by the rights of the 11 other players right to have an honest match. No level of mental gymnastics will change that. Lastly, if a soft-ban as light as 2 minutes is so frightening to you that you'd be willing to go to such great lengths to both grossly misrepresent my argument and vilify a viable solution to a real problem then I'd say it'd work as intended.

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  • Edited by Scorpius XX1: 3/26/2015 5:31:07 AM
    Coming from someone that can't even concede the most basic points wishes to educate me on the hear of the matter. That's cute. No I don't agree, and not because I feel entitled to leave games. You keep using this word and I'm not sure it means what you think it means. What is the percentage of players leaving games on purpose just to do it? 10%, Ok I'll give you 20% just to be kind. That means 80% of players are leaving contests for reasons either out of their control, or within their control meaning they play about half the match and are probably getting wrecked and decide to leave. So based on a whopping 20% of players departing, you in your infinite wisdom thinks Bungie and Activison should start writing new code in order to ban or soft ban not only the 20% but the entire 100 based on nothing substancial but wild speculation and your own personal childish desires. And no Spock, this is not a case of the needs of the many outweighing the needs of the one because you are not in the majority. I am. Vilify? Wat? What in the world are you talking about? I didn't vilify you lol. Put down the dictionary or whatever word app you are using and lighten up. Jesus. Paranoid much?

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  • Edited by ManiacalMaestro: 3/26/2015 5:40:24 AM
    firstly, what 'basic point' was there to 'cede'? That you don't agree and will obviously go to lengths to demonstrate such? I've ceded that already. Furthermore, please provide sources for your wild and frivolous percentages of players and why they choose to leave -- otherwise you're just blowing smoke. Finally, you again attempt to dismiss a valid point with weak ad hominem. You're not making yourself any more credible at this point.

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  • Yeah I really don't think I need to at this point. Anyone with a lick of common sense knows I am right. By the way, you really are paranoid if you believe 100% of Crucible players are leaving games just to spite you or because they feel entitled. Or maybe you are just cynical. Not sure, but I know it all adds up to you being wrong. Good night to you sir.

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  • Please quote the portion of [b][i][u] any[/u][/i][/b] of my comments asserting that 100% of players leave to 'spite' me. Again you attempt to misrepresent my argument. Anyone with a 'lick of common sense' can see that. If a player had to leave for an unexpected reason (as I've stated) then they obviously won't be back within 2 minutes. If a player rage-quits then they could obviously use (and rightly deserve) a 2 minute cool down from queuing for another crucible match. Again, you're not making yourself anymore credible at this point.

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  • By the way, if you feel you are being mischaracterized then perhaps you shouldn't use words that leave certain impressions. Through most of your posts you elude to feeling personally betrayed by other players leaving. And after all is it not a fair interpretation based on your own use of language that you feel personally slighted and quickly become defensive when someone counters your thinking in regards to this subject? I think that is reasonable to assume. In particular when you seem so desperate to point out that you believe I am attacking you, when an objective thinker would realize quite the opposite. It's your idea I'm attacking.

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  • Edited by ManiacalMaestro: 3/26/2015 6:57:53 AM
    You're clearly using subjectivity in the way you interpret my statements. You again assume far too much. Also, if my choice of words burdens you to the point of these mental gymnastics then I can phrase things preferable to the laymans standards. Maybe then you'll be able to finally provide a viable string of reasoning as to why you think your rights as a singular player should somehow outweigh those other 11 players. (Good luck with that btw). Lastly, I'd again assert that if 2 minute soft-bans frighten you this much then they'd clearly work as intended.

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  • Last word man needs last word. And no not the weapon.

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