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Destiny's Story (my theory) MUST READ

[i]Fair warning: long read ahead[/i] I just wanted to say before you read ahead, not all of these ideas are my own, and in fact a large portion of them come from the community. All the credit goes out to you guys. I am simply trying to piece a puzzle together. Some of this may seem disconnected or holes may exist in my theory, but I spent a lot of time culling this together and hope you guys can help me fill in the holes. [b]What we know, in a nutshell:[/b] At the game's beginning we are introduced to a cutscene that shows humans landing on Mars present day. There, they discover the Traveler. Planets throughout the system are transformed by the Traveler and colonized by humans. Humanity experiences unprecedented growth and technological advance, a "Golden Age". Then, the Darkness arrives, the Traveler's ancient enemy, and wipes out most of humanity and the Traveler sacrifices itself to protect the Last City and what remains of Humanity. Ghosts are created out of what remains of the light to resurrect Guardians to defend the city and push back the Darkness. That's where our story begins. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [b][u]Speculation: The Traveler[/b][/u] The Traveler is being contained. We are told it is because it expended its own Light to an extent that put it essentially in a stasis. Yet, the Traveler requires Light in order to thrive. Ever notice when you head shot a Fallen that it looks like light escapes the body? Note that the Fallen NPCs have been identified calling Guardians the Darkness if you wait silently nearby. Or how about the Hive? We find the Syphon Witches containing a shard of the Traveler to withhold light from it. The Vex seemingly have no interest in the Traveler or Earth, but are spreading to every other planet. More on them in a bit... The Traveler is called the traveler for a reason: it travels. No kidding, right? Well it may not be that simple. What if the Traveler is like a parascite? It goes from solar system to solar system absorbing whatever Light it can from its inhabitants? Of course, you're wondering why build up humanity only to simply devour it for Light? The problem is, the Traveler has created enemies along the way who have wised up to its plan. As it moves from system to system the Traveler builds up races so that what is left behind after it devours a large portion of it can fight off the enemies it left behind. it is a never ending cycle... ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [b][u]Speculation: The Fallen, Hive, Cabal, and Vex[/b][/u] In Destiny we are led to believe that the mentioned above races are our enemies, armies of the Darkness. I wanted to point out what each has in common, and what their differences are. The Fallen were once a great race united, but are now hardly more than roving bands of pirates with warring Houses. Their target is clearly the Traveler, as they frequent Earth, specifically around the Cosmodrome. They have been trying, unsuccessfully, to find a way into the city. The Fallen also seem to scavenge intelligence/equipment from humanity's Golden Age, as they are often found in control centers and other areas where data is kept archived. Or maybe they are just there for the spinmetal. In one instance on the moon, we find Syphon Witches draining the Traveler of its light with one of its own shards (how they got that shard is still a mystery). It seems clear that the Hive's intent is to "kill" the Traveler, or at the very least, prevent it from regaining its strength. They must have gone through a lot of trouble to get that shard, after all. The Cabal are found in various points trying to retrieve information: the outpost by the Black Garden gate, the AI connected to the Warmind of Mars in the Clovis Bray facility, etc. We are told the Cabal blow up planets and moons just for fun. There's a reason they havent done so in our solar system and specifically, Earth, where the Traveler resides. The Vex are another story. They seemingly have no interest whatsoever other than to spread throughout the system and destroy anything that gets in their way. They've done it to Mercury, Venus, and Mars. They conveniently skipped Earth. The Vex are simply a force of nature. They act singularly to thrive. Death means nothing to them (they sacrifice themselves to the confluxes). They have the ability to time travel and can bend the universe to their will. Why ignore Earth? The one thing that the enemy races have in common are this: they are all attacking you. There is a reason why the Hive try to rid the Traveler of its Light, a reason why the Cabal are trying to get information on the Vex and the AI connected to the Warmind, and why the Fallen call you the Darkness. [b][i] The Vex are containing the Traveler[/i][/b] Think about it, by the game's end our main objective is to stop the Vex from spreading. BUT, what is also spreading to the other planets in the system? [u]Rasputin[/u].....[b][i]"this AI once connected to the Warmind of Mars. Rasputin is controlling it. I couldn't get in, and neither could the Cabal. He's everywhere now"[/b][/i] ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [b][u]Connecting the Dots: Rasputin, The Traveler, and the Vex[/b][/u] At some point during the Golden Age, humanity developed Warminds on each planet as a sort of defense system. Their sole purpose was to protect humanity. Rasputin, who survived the Collapse, is the one of concern here. We know he is spreading to other planets, but only a shell of him remains on Earth, from what I understand. It might be a longshot, but I think Rasputin and the Vex are related somehow. They are both spreading to other planets in the system, and they are both not on Earth in any real sense. [b][i][u]What if Rasputin trying to control the Vex to contain the Traveler?[/b][/u][/i] I know you are thinking how ridiculous that is, but hear me out. The Vex were first found on Mercury and ruins on Venus show that they pre-date humanity by a few billion years. After realizing the Traveler's true intent, Rasputin sought to spread himself in an attempt to control the Vex in order to contain the Traveler. The fact that both the Vex and Rasputin are spreading can't just be a coincidence. In some ways, the vex reflect the single-mindedness of a Warmind. Ruthless and calculating. Both were made to survive. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [b][u]In Sum: The Story[/b][/u] The Traveler is a parasitic god that goes from solar system to solar system devouring the light of its inhabitants, after leaving an army behind big enough to fight off the Darkness, it's ancient enemies whose races it destroyed. Guardians are pawns in this never ending cycle, having no knowledge of the Traveler's true origins or intent. The Hive, Cabal, Fallen, and Vex are all working to either destroy or contain the Traveler. Rasputin is attempting to control the Vex, letting them spread to every planet as a fail safe should the Traveler ever free itself from its slumber. Rasputin is the lesser evil. The Stranger, is from the future where the Vex have implemented themselves into reality and are able to unwrite Guardians (and other life) from existence. Guardian's are unknowingly fighting for the Traveler, trying to eliminate the Vex, which would enable the Traveler to continue its destructive cycle. This is why the Stranger said a side must always be taken, even it is the wrong one. Guardians are able to survive so long as the Traveler is contained and the Vex do not achieve the ability to fully implement themselves into the universe. In one future timeline, Rasputin fails to control the Vex, and the rest of humanity is wiped out of existence by them. In another, humanity succeeds in destroying the Vex, only to be consumed by the Traveler. There is a balance that must be maintained, Light and Dark. This is why the Traveler is being contained, and why the Vex are also trying to be contained. Neither force must grow too powerful. That would result in total extinction. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Please let me know what you think, or what your theories are. I will try to update and improve this post going forward. Thank you for taking the time to read this, Guardians.

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  • You've put a lot of thought into this and your theories are sound. I have a theory about the Vex myself, and a few observations about the other races that makes things a little more interesting. Firstly, my observations. Enemies higher than level 20 have yellow numbers like us. Implication of this is that they too have a light level. A lot of the Guardian abilities or weapons are duplicated or mirrored in the other races. We have Arc blades with the Fallen, numerous enemies throw void bolts that are similar, if not the same, as those thrown by Warlocks. Fallen have units that can use blink and the Cabal use tech that looks a lot like Lift/gliding. Even the Fallen arc grenades are almost exactly the same as some of the Guardian ones. I think the Cabal and the Fallen either have or had their own Traveller, or were visited by ours. I'm not sure where the Hive fits in, their attacks are all quite different to a degree, but I would go as far as to suggest that they are simply parasitic organisms who feed on light but cannot manifest it quite like we can. That being said, we still havent seen the third class for each Guardian. Those abilities may match some of the Hives. [b]My Vex Theory.[/b] I think they are Guardians. We know that they can time travel, and we know that the Traveller is raising us by sending ghosts imbued with light to resurrect us. We know it needs to replenish light and that it can run out, that is why it is dormant, but what will it become once the light has run out completely? A dark mirror of itself? I would say that matches the description of the thing we fought at the centre of the Black Garden. We know the Vex are machines based on biological material, but where our ghosts had corpses and skeletons to bring back from the dead, so far in the future the Traveller may only have dust or rotted slime to grow from. Ghosts might not be enough, and may be modified to become the bodies we see the Vex using as their own. The traveller has hidden from the Darkness till the end of time and is now doing what it does best. Protecting, and enhancing the race it has chosen as its charge and modifying the planets of their home system to allow them to flourish. It hasn't touched Earth, because we already live there. To change Earth would be a fatal paradox, one which they could not come back from. Might be complete rubbish, but thats what I think is going on. I have no idea what the Darkness is, I don't think it is the Vex, but I do think that the Vex have come about because of the Darkness and the fall of the human race. This brings us back to the similarities between their attacks and ours. The Hobgoblin solar shield is incredibly similar to Sundancer powers, They use all three elements within the ranks and they have also shown to use an ability similar to blink. Matching up with your theory, they are just doing exactly what we are doing. Protecting our solar system from intruders.

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    • I'm sick and tired of people like you, with your "conspiracy theories" and "Darkness' apologist" bull. "The Traveler" is NOT an enemy, and neither is "The Speaker" (period), but I probably won't be able to make you stop your absurd preaching. Sorry, but I'm giving you a "dislike" and a "report".

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      • Interesting theories. I would like to see more evidence, but I like the direction you are going.

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        • this is compelling as -blam!- seriously

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        • [B][U]CONTINUED[/B][/U] [b][u]Speculation: The Speaker[/b][/u] Early in the game we are introduced to the Speaker, the voice of the Traveler. The character is very mysterious and cryptic in his dialogue ("I could tell you..."). Frankly, as soon as I heard this guy speak I had a hunch that something wasn't quite right. He says you must have no end of questions, but then doesn't address anything in a concrete way. If he really is the voice of the Traveler why doesn't he reveal more information? Also if you look up who voices the Speaker you'll understand why I have my suspicions about him. In my opinion, the Speaker is definitely hiding something. He is the leader we blindly follow, no questions asked. Is it possible he is the Traveler in human form? There are some key phrases he says that support the notion of hidden intent. He tells you, "The Darkness is coming back, we will NOT survive it this time." Again, we have to consider what is returning. The Fallen, Hive, and Cabal seem to have been present since the Collapse, therefore they cannot be coming back since they were already here. This may also be true with the Vex, but since they have the ability to time travel, they are at the same time here and not here. The only thing that I can point to and say it is returning is Rasputin, the last Warmind. He, along with the Vex are spreading throughout the solar system. The Darkness may be a matter of perspective. But the Speaker is definitely hiding something. The Nine send Xur to help Guardians specifically, and not necessarily the Speaker or Traveler. You can hear the Speaker muttering to himself, "Why won't the Nine help us?"

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          • Is it possible that Rasputin is the beginning of the hive mind that control the vex? Could the vex be from the future, and this is all some kind of strange time loop that the traveler is trying to break? This all kind of reminds me of the sci-fi movie The sphere.

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            • Good theory. I guess we'll find out if you're right in "10 years" when bungee finally gets the whole story out

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              • I'm sorry to be the one to tell you that OP but you are well off the reality, Destiny's Story and the Traveller is well more complex and vast than what you are trying to say, I helped writing the story about 5 years ago and it spam thousands of years of a rich and amazing lore that could be the foundation for many generations of games. And the thing is, I could tell you everything I know: But I won't..... that's your Destiny.

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                • [b]CONTINUED[/B] [b][u]The Theory of Multiverse and Evolution[/b][/u] I have seen some posts, even in this very thread suggesting that the other races we encounter (with the exception of the Vex) are possible articulations of humanity, and/or they originate from a separate universe. I will try to address both here. In the perspective of a multiverse theory where humans evolve or change into the other races, I look at it in stages. 1. The Awoken, we know, are an iteration of humanity that was altered physically. There's no denying this. We also know they exist in the Reef. They linger out between the Light and Dark, essentially neutral (though they likely have an agenda of their own). 2. The Fallen. They seem to be on the darker side of things, though not necessarily evil like the Vex. If you've ever watched a public event happen, you'll notice a Ketch kind of just plop out of the sky through what looks like a hole being torn in space. Could it just be some sort of warp drive? Possibly. But why would a ship warp into Earth's low atmosphere? My guess is the ships are really going between dimensions or universes. Even when the Skiff's leave they kind of just disappear into nowhere. I would venture that the Fallen are another iteration of humanity from another universe. Why else would they be so interested in the Cosmodrome and Earth? They scavenge for ancient data and salvage on other once-colonized planets as well (they are found trying to break into the Ishtar Collective Archive). They also want to get into the Last City. 3. The Cabal. They are an advanced militarized race that has the ability to blow up planets and moons. Yet they haven't done that in our solar system. In multiple instances they are found interested in the same things you are: the Black Garden's gate, Clovis Bray, the ancient AI that once connected to the Warmind of Mars. If you see their ships come in, they too also appear out of nowhere, suggesting that they could possibly be entering through another dimension. I think the fact that they were interested in the Black Garden and AI supports the notion they are another iteration of humanity in a different universe. 4. The Hive. Aside from the Vex, the Hive are the darkest race of all. You can find them on Earth in the Cosmodrome tunnels and facilities. Though they don't necessarily appear to be collecting data or material, they are there nonetheless, seeding Earth. The Syphon Witches are also found trying to drain the Traveler of its Light. The Hive Tombships also "cut through" out of nowhere and vanish in similar fashion. Anything that enters a portal like that suggests to me an arrival from another universe. [b]Conclusion[/b] All of the races appear to be after something that Guardians are interested throughout the story, whether its the Cosmodrome, the Archive, the Shard of the Traveler, or the AI on Mars. They all share two common enemies, you and the Vex (and by extension, the Traveler). My theory is that these races are iterations of humanity after some choice is made that has to do with the Traveler and Vex. But they exist in alternate universes. Maybe the Traveler doesn't simply go from solar system to solar system, but universe to universe. None of the races showed up in our solar system until after the Traveler arrived. Maybe our Destiny is to become on of those races (or not)? I think the reason they all attack Guardian's might be because they defend the Traveler which could have altered them, and they want to stop it from happening.

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                • I'm a firm believer that Rasputin is connected in some way, shape, or form to the Vex. Considering the Vex are considerably older than the warmind, I'd say Rasputin has become corrupted by them. Maybe the Vex tried invading during the Golden Age and Rasputin helped keep them at bay and took interest in them only to fall to them.

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                • [b][u]CONTINUED[/b][/u] [b][u]Speculation: The Awoken[/b][/u] The Awoken are definitely crucial to the story of Destiny. They linger in the Reef, between the Light and Dark. Because of this, they may be the most objective race in the game, having no discernible preference to either side. What we know about the Awoken is that they are human survivors of the Collapse that made it out to the asteroid belt and were altered physically some time during their escape. They are the race that most clearly resemble humans. "Awoken" means "having become aware of something". This fits the narrative of the game. The Awoken knew where the Black Garden was--you did not. They knew how to enter the Black Garden--you did not. My theory is they know more about the Traveler's true intentions, but no doubt they have their own agenda. Some posts in this forum have pointed to evidence that in original stages of the game there was a Tower of sorts just like on Earth, but in the Reef. It is possible that the Awoken, or some of them, were once Guardians but now fight for their own purposes, whatever that may be. [b]The Crow[/b] The Queen's brother, the Crow, is an interesting character. I immediately thought he symbolized something so I did some interweb searching and came up with this: Crows symbolize: Life magic; mystery of creation [b]Destiny[/b], [b]personal transformation[/b], alchemy Intelligence [b]Higher perspective[/b] Being fearless, audacious Flexibility, adaptability Trickster, manipulative, mischevious I have bolded the items I think are most relevant; destiny, personal transformation and higher perspective. I think these three things are all tied together. Clearly, the Awoken are a part of your literal destiny as they are an influencing factor in your decisions in the game, they have undergone personal (physical) transformation, and they hold more knowledge than you do about ongoing events, a higher perspective. The Queen had an interesting line when she said "often when we guess at others intentions we only reveal our own." What I took from this was the Awoken are hiding something and that was the Queen's clue to get her brother to shut up. She also makes a reference to [i]YOUR[/i] traveler. Maybe it is a stretch, but this is either saying the Traveler abandoned the Awoken/they want nothing to do with it/they have their own version. The Stranger seems to hold some sort of contempt towards the Awoken when she says "Ah,yes. The Awoken, out there wavering between the Light and Dark." She then proceeds to tell you about how important it is to take a side. As an addendum to the Crow reference, he says regarding the Black Garden, "they want to turn it into a battleground. How original." This either means the Awoken have helped others try to get into the Black Garden, or they simply know of other attempts. Perhaps some of them even tried. Conclusion: The Awoken are a people that know more than they are letting on. The symbolism of the Crow, the Queen's remarks, and the Stranger's input support this notion. I know that this only connects some dots and doesnt reveal anything new, but I think what I have here is a solid foundation going forward and we may find out more in the future.

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                • Great post and story speculation. However I would like to say that when the stranger said "a side must be chosen, even if it's the wrong one" she was referring to the Awoken and how they stand neutral between the light and darkness. I would like to hear your speculation on the Awoken as I think they has a vital role in the story, we just have yet to see how.

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                • I have my own theory that closely follows this one. Since I just put the thing up, and I'm too lazy to re-type, here is the forum post: http://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/75492583/0/0/1

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                  • [b][u]CONTINUED[/B][/U] [b]Speculation: The Nine[/b] Posted from [url=http://www.destinypedia.com/The_Nine]Destinypedia[/url] [i]Very little about the Nine or the Jovians is known due to the isolation of the Jovians. One legend describes the Nine but offers seemingly contradictory clues to their nature: -- The Nine are survivors of the cis-Jovian colonies who made a compact with an alien force to ensure their own survival. -- The Nine are deep-orbit warminds who weathered the Collapse in hardened stealth platforms. --The Nine are ancient leviathan intelligences from the seas of Europa or the hydrocarbon pits of Titan. -- The Nine arrived in a mysterious transmission from the direction of the Corona-Borealis supercluster. --The Nine are the firstborn Awoken and their minds now race down the field lines of the Jupiter-Io flux tube. -- The Nine are Ghosts who pierced the Deep Black without a ship and meditated on the hissing silence of the heliopause. --The Nine are the aspects of the Darkness, broken by the Traveler's rebuke, working to destroy us from within. --The Nine is a viral language of pure meaning. --The Nine are the shadows left by the annihilation of a transcendent shape, burned into the weft of what is.[2][/i] As you can tell there are nine possible descriptions of the Nine obtained from the grimoire cards. And some of them are contradictory. Maybe the contradictions support further the theory of a multiverse? In discussion of the Nine we should also consider Xur, who is their agent. He has some key phrases that may offer clues regarding the Nine. I will list them here (obtained from [url=http://www.destinypedia.com/Xur]Destinypedia[/url]) "I am only an Agent. The Nine rule beyond the Jovians." "I cannot explain what the Nine are. They are... very large. I cannot explain." "We saw the colony fail, not knowing what we saw." "It is very possible that the Nine intend to help humanity." "The Awoken did not have a choice. We did." "Your Traveler has a dark mirror." "You are the one I was sent to find!" "This is but one end." My theory regarding the Nine is this: The Nine are rulers of the Jovians, beyond the Reef where the Light does not touch. They are beings that are large in either a physical sense, but more likely in the sense their existence cannot be comprehended. The colony that failed is likely referring to the survivors of the cis-Jovian colonies who made a compact with an alien force to ensure their own survival, as quoted above. The Nine intend to help humanity, via Xur. The Awoken made it as far as the Reef, between the Light and Dark. The choice that Xur refers to may be the choice to make the compact with the alien force, a choice the Awoken were not privy to. The Dark Mirror Xur refers too may lend more credence to the multiverse theory. Perhaps the "Darkness" is some sort of Traveler from an alternate universe. Xur says this is but one end. The "this" that he refers to here I think is simply the current state of the universe. It is too vague to be anything else. Again, this supports the multiverse theory. Further more, when approaching Xur, he will often say "similar...". He may be talking about you physically. Additionally Xur will say, "For organic life to exist it requires constant adaptation." No surprise here, as we know the Awoken are humans that survived the Collapse but were modified because of the effects of the Reef. Thats what I have on the Nine for now. Still a lot to look into.

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                    • I think you might be close, however I would put forward a slightly different theory. My theory: The Traveler is the source of the Vex. There has been much speculation that the Black Garden was originally supposed to be "Inside" the traveler. Also, the speculation indicates that the traveler was actually evil and the source of the darkness. I think, in some fashion, as you suggested, the Traveler soaks up and absorbs "light" and uses it to power itself and the Vex. In game, and in the grimoire, there is lots of speculation as to how the vex are powered and connected. What if, the Traveler is the Vex Power Source and Central "Mind". It absorbs light and powers the vex "network" with it. Look at the vex themselves, the vex weak spot is typically a whit light, when you kill them white light "spills" out ins some sense, the confluxs are also white "light" structures. The vex architecture is also similar to the traveler and there is a theme of concentric circles permeating vex "artwork" if you can call it that... Most of the vex architecture is geometric squares and rectangles, but where they have anything that could be considered to be "decorative" it seems to be circular, also the portals resemble the traveler in appearance and "look". Here is a link to some bungie early vex concept art... http://dorjebellbrook.blogspot.com/2014/10/destiny-early-vex-exploration_9.html Look at the second pic down... Remind you of anything? Vex Teleportation: We know the vex can teleport across space and time (entire star systems), but I doesn't seem like they can just appear anywhere. Otherwise, they would be on earth... Right? Maybe the Traveler sets up a network, almost like a Vex Internet, and the vex can travel anywhere or more likely, materialize anywhere in the network they are called for. The vex seem to act exactly like the Agents from the Matrix... The Vex might not even be "entities" but a physical manifestation of a digital network (I mean they aren't like individual robots built on an assembly line and networked together, but a artificial manifestation of matter controlled by the AI network) In that sense, The Vex don't actually "teleport" but are just materialized and de-materialized at will of the network. Again think of Matrix agents, they aren't "real" they just are input into the world as a physical manifestation of a computer program. This could explain how they teleport and seem to come in virtually endless supply. (I know other enemies also teleport, like fallen captains, but when they move, it is different,) they seem to vanish and re appear in a new spot like the warlock blink, the vex seem to dissolve and re assemble in a digital like fashion.) The Vex / Traveler connection: The Vex are everywhere the Traveler has "been". The traveler first visited Mercury, (says this in the Grimoire or somewhere, cant remember exactly where...) The Vex were also first seen on Mercury and "turned the whole planet into a Machine" - per dinklebot if i recall. The traveler has also been on Venus and Mars, also now infested with Vex. The traveler is not on Earth, and there are no vex on Earth, Yet.. But, The vex may be something the traveler leaves behind after, to continue its "control" or spread its power and influence. The hive, cabal, and fallen are all fighting the Vex, and you, and each other for the most part. But here is where I really like your theory, it explains why they all came to our solar system. Each of the hive, fallen, and cabal come from far off solar systems, maybe even other galaxies... Why are they here? Perhaps they are following the Traveler to destroy it or contain it from spreading? If they had their own home worlds devastated by the traveler and are now over run with vex they could be either trying to find a new home world, or destroy the traveler, in order to free their home worlds from the vex. If the Traveler is powering and controlling the Vex, destroying it might be the only way for them to reclaim their home-world. I think this is underscored by the fact that each race is primarily interaction with the guardians and the vex, not so much each other. The Hive and Fallen fight each other, one mission they invade the hell mouth, perhaps they were fighting over the travelers shard that the hive was experimenting on? There is a lot unexplained, and these theories seem to piece some of the back story together and make it all makes some sense. Lastly Vex and Guardians: The Vex don't seem to be trying to actively subvert the Guardians. Any interaction the Guardians have with the Vex results from the Guardians venturing into vex territory and messing with things. They only attack us when we are in what may be considered an offensive operation. We are either in their territory, messing with their confluxes, trying to summon and kill their gate lords, entering the vault of glass, ect. The Guardians are always on the offensive. On the other hand, the Fallen and Hive are invading earth, attacking the guardians, cabal are invading mars and attacking human settlements and occupying human ruins there as well. The Vex seem to be just existing and guarding their shit. This leads me to believe that the Vex are tasked with doing some job, which does not directly involve defeating the guardians, they only fight us b/c we are always attacking them or invading their bases. If the traveler was controlling the Vex this would make perfect sense. Why would the Vex fight us if we are aiding the Traveler? Well they don't, unless we are trying to hinder the Vex. AKA they are defensive but not offensive against the Guardians, they do however seem to be attacking the other races. For example they are invading the house of winter on Venus and trying to kill the Archon. This of course is all conjecture based on my observations, but if true, would explain a lot that is otherwise unexplained.

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                      • Edited by riderofapoc: 10/28/2014 3:45:43 PM
                        I think you guys are wrong and over thinking it. For one, I noticed this yesterday...while I was approaching the speaker... (You have to approach...and keep reapproaching for him to say new dialogue...quietly) He mentions something about there being 9...or 8... Then he mentions there being "Vaults" and destroying them... My memory is a little fuzzy... it was late last night... Anywho, this has me convinced... we will be facing more Vaults... more than the Vault of Glass.

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                        • I'm impressed!! I like the way you think. Just the other day, as I was playing the final story mission, I thought to myself: What if...this God is not a bad guy? What if its the good guy? Eh, gets you thinking a bit...

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                        • Could the vex be powered by guardian dna? Which would be of human decent. And Rasputin is controlling them? Building an army of robots with the genetics and light of guardians, which were humans, trying to destroy the traveler and his undead human/guardian army?

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                        • All of this and we still have robots in the tower with wicker brooms

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                        • [quote](my theory) MUST READ[/quote] Well, since you put MUST READ in all capitals, guess i have to do it....sigh... Oh wait, or I could just not read this wall of hypothetical shit.

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                          • Story??????????? where did u find it...

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                          • There's actually a NegaDestiny they play in Russia. You play a Cabal Knight, a Vandal Assassin, or a Hive Wizard, and you patrol the ruins of America, grinding out kills on zombie humans in fancy armor with floating iPod buddies.

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                            • Does anyone else think that bungie reads these posts and laughs at our attempts to understand the story? Either way, this is certainly very interesting, I hope we find out more about the story soon.

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                              • I was thinking the same thing as you were (esp after reading some of the things the community was coming up with). My thoughts, though, Rasputin created the Vex, or is currently controlling them completely. Like you said, they are both spreading and are both machine in origin. Well, what if the Traveler is using the speaker as a puppet (notice he has a ghost too), and he and your ghost are simply manipulating you into thinking that the Vex are some ancient enemy of darkness. But in reality (assuming our thoughts that the traveler is a light parasite), it is Rasputin's last stand to raise this army of Vex (or control it, if the Speaker/ghost are telling the truth) to destroy the traveler, the darkness (former noble groups who now, rid of their light are evil), and the undead humans who will become evil upon the Traveler's departure. Remember, the stranger said that the Vex were "so evil that they hate other evil," or something to that affect. I think that quote was a clue to this. I think the Traveler and the hive are the true evils. I believe the hive to be the product of the traveler draining races of light and them being consumed by darkness. That is why the fallen fight them, the Vex, and us. We never seem them fighting the Cabal, or vice-versa. While the fallen are separated into houses, I can't remember any time where fallen were fighting each other. I think the Queen is who will bring us back to life without ghosts, or convert our ghosts to no longer work for the traveler. In one of the Dev videos there was a tower-like haven on the reef, in full resolution- in game. There what looked like vendors, and fallen guards patrolling but not attacking you. I think this is the point where your character is taught the truth of what is happening and you join up with the Queen under the instructions of the stranger. This assuming that the Stranger teaches us what is going on, introduces us to her crew, and lays her plan. That plan being, infiltrate the Queen's crew to help her destroy the Vex and to end bad relations with the fallen (and possibly Cabal- ghost could have been lying about them being planet destroyers too). This is where the story will really pick up, with you helping each faction (Stranger and Queen) and the fallen (maybe cabal too?) at your backside you take on the Hive, the Traveler, and the Vex. You only fight the Vex enough to contain them from Earth, and when your army is ready to attack the Traveler/hive you destroy Rasputin and the Vex. Specifically, for the stranger, I think too that she is from the future. I think it is after Rasputin has won, and he has grown so powerful that he becomes malicious and arrogant (like the Reaper's from Mass Effect), and goes on the hunt down the last remaining humans that survived without ghosts. She returns to the past to help you limit Rasputin's strength so that when the time comes to destroy the Traveler, they can simultaneously, or within in a short time frame, destroy or unplug Rasputin.

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