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originally posted in: This girl claimed feminism today
8/28/2014 4:54:48 AM
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Blame the generation gap, blame the constant & historical shift to dressing sexier, blame voicing an unnecessary opinion, blame media, blame fashion, blame the frickin heat outside. So many things to blame before sexism lmao I would've laughed too (albeit inconspicuously) This post got away from me. I make my point pretty early don't feel the need to keep reading unless you actually care & still disagree [spoiler]OP said feminism & it set off some flag in half you people you just had to waive around. We know nothing about this situation to jump to feminism "He wouldn't say anything to a guy". Exactly what I'd expect you create a fact out of thin air, or worse suspicion, which is the only supporting evidence for sexism in this situation. How it typically happens as far as my knowledge goes Saying he's "objectifying woman"...lol...if anything he said "respect your body more & don't show it off" LMAO any guy who sees woman as object would have gotten his look & moved on. Or tried to pick her up. Why do you woman go out looking cute/sexy again? Saying he shouldn't have said anything at all... FAIR POINT. Nothing to do w/ sexism though, w/o that fact from your ass I mentioned earlier all I know is what a wise man w/ an epic beard once told me, "if it looks like a dragon, it probably breathes fire"...they know that when they get dressed too. Wear whatever you want, this world will judge & no man is safe from that either. Not to mention in certain places there is an appropriate attire -a job interview I don't wear workout clothes -the gym I don't wear a suit -the beach I don't wear a sweatpants But I can still do all these things you shouldn't say anything to me or think anything of me for dressing inappropriately I guess, or does this only apply to revealing clothing on girls in school? Key word, in school. Cuz no one will say anything about a bikini on the beach or a skimpy skintight dress at the club, and I'm guessing she didn't go that far (as far as revealing goes) All any of us know is the guy told her her outfit was inappropriate. That she shouldn't have been wearing whatever she was wearing that the one person we know who saw her, the OP, felt was slutty. And ya'll want to waive the embroidered flag that is feminism on him & OP for God knows why. Cuz some high school chick you know next to nothing about, except that a kid on a forum for an unreleased game finds her outfit slutty, and that she walked past an older man, claimed it was sexism. (did I miss anything else we actually know about her) Bravo. Insert slow clapping gif here. Y'all never cease to amaze with the whole prior bias thing. Now tell me I'm wrong, so I can tell you what I just told you WITH bias. Now yes I was condescending, but that's not bias. Bias would have been different. Bias doesn't only look at facts. Bias would have been "tell that girl to shut up & put some clothes on if she cares & doesn't like what people think" & "you're calling the only person worried about you a sexist. Make no mistake he's not the only one who thinks it, just the only one who doesn't like it & has the balls, better yet feels the need, to tell you (laugh at her) You're attracting the wrong kind of guy if you're that sensitive about some old guys comment. You're gonna get your heart broken by some jack ass that'll lie to you & just wants sex. You don't know enough about the world yet. IF THAT GUYS COMMENTS BOTHERED YOU THAT MUCH" lol sexism...you guys look at the wrong point. Tough love is love nonetheless & anytime a girl is asked to put on more clothes - especially a girl in high school - it's for her own benefit. Sexist old man... feminism from a high school chick dressed to look sexy... How off base to the big picture. Feminists should be supporting this man & suggesting a different approach. All my generation is told is how great sex is. Iggy Azalea & Katy Perry are waging an unspoken war to see which gets more popular showing off your ass or tits & you call this man an objectifier...the woman these girls look up to are doing it themselves. Miley Cyrus Nicki Minaj Ariana Grande Lady Gaga Pink Taylor -blam!-ing Swift at the VMAs lol name a female artist besides Adele more popular with all their clothes on. How bout movies. Songs. Magazines. What do they typically say about woman. Examine what girls have been wearing in past generations to now. How about how much younger girls want to start looking sexy. Consider that 1/4 teenage girls in the US has an STD! Other than the have as much meaningless sex as you want thing as a guy I'm all for the less clothing right now but when I'm a dad & for dads (moms?) everywhere & some other people there's your problem. Rather that's this old guys problem. He doesn't wanna see that & I can understand him saying to one girl, however he said it, this isn't the choice she wants to make. Judging by her getting butthurt, it isn't. Y'all get mad at him for that if you want to lol it's just asinine & ill-conceived in my biased opinion. Bcs again THIS IS MY BIASED OPINION don't bother finding holes I already know they're there So why say this? Cuz I went to high school with a graduating class above 1200. I now go to college & see it all. Cuz I have slutty friends, tease friends, and typical good girl friends. Cuz I've had this conversation (and the "I wanna lose weight" convo lol) more times than I'd care to admit. & News flash they dress differently. They know exactly what they're advertising & subsequently what they're attracting cuz they aren't -blam!-ing retarded & oblivious to the world around them... I could go on forever about this but I can't change the world or an idiots opinion. I'd rather just go out, find what I'm looking for buy judging outfits like any guy whose ever gone out has, wear a jimmy, & move on. Gotta accept things for how they are when the people who care can't even look at the bigger picture & see the real problems. Lol And that's only if this is a problem to you. I don't like it, cuz I've been, played, cheated on & lied to, and all the vice versa in the past, not proud. But I can't call it a problem just cuz I don't like it. Of course, what would feminism be if they didn't? I can't believe I wasted so much thought on this -blam!-ing post but hey an hour closer to 9/9 right that's all that matters [/spoiler]
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  • Actually it is bias.

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  • I'm open for respectful discussion if you'd like to tell me how

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  • Edited by kellygreen45: 8/28/2014 6:26:18 PM
    "Love without (a respect for healthy) boundaries is like a missile without a guidance system". "All it takes for the triumph of evil is for good men to stand by and do nothing." You don't defeat prejudice by accomodating it. You defeat it by calling it out, and standing UP to it. Sometimes---especially if you find yourself in a situation where its liable to be enforced with the implied or real threat of violence...one sometimes has to accomodate it for matters of personal safety. But it is easy to tell someone else to just "shut up and cover up" when it is not your freedom that is being infringed upon, or you having to fear that some escalation may take place. It was not "love" or "concern" that motivated that old man to comment on that girl's clothes. It was the desire to CONTROL someone who violated his sense of propriety...and a sense of OWNERSHIP that he was free to do so. IOW, a lack of respect for her, and her right to act as she pleased as long as it brought no harm to anyone, or violated any laws. Likewise your analogy to professional dress codes is inappropriate. I'm a doctor, and I dress a certain way because it is expected of me professionally...and it is a GIFT that I give to my patients. I dress in a manner that they associate with confidence and competence in order to allay their fears at a time when they are feeling vulnerable and out of control, because they are sick...and are trusting me to do things to them that they would allow no one else to do. Dressing to accomodate their expectations is a small concession to them, in comparison to the deference they give to me and my profession. But when I am out of the hospital, I'm going to dress as I please...and if I wanted someone's *opinion* about how I'm dressed I'd GIVE it to them. Bottomline....what a random young woman on the street is wearign is none of that' old mans' f-ing business. To comment on it was intrusive, controlling, and showed an complete lack of respect for interpersonal boundaries. It was the psychological equivalent of having the nerve to spank SOMEONE ELSE"s child in public, because you felt that child was misbehaving. Not his place....and the fact that he thought it was, essentially validates her point. Because he would have done that to anyone he percieved as an equal.

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  • Bujeezus, that spoiler gave me a suprise. I can't say it was well written, but it seems to be thoughtful nonetheless.

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  • Ya I was drinking lol. If I post a long one you pretty much know oh well

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