Well, Harlow gave his closing statement, so I might as well give mine. To the members of Sapphire: I don't hate Sapphire and I don't hate you; I'm not your enemy. I didn't set out to flame you or bring out hatred against you on purpose, or at least, not without a purpose. I wanted some answers to some very important questions, so I may have held your feet to the fire to get them. The rights of transsexuals, homosexuals, women, and minorities are very important issues. I agree with your leaders on pretty much all of them, and some of them have a very personal meaning to me. This is, perhaps, why I lashed out against your leaders. From my perspective, it appeared that Sapphire was promoting those issues just to get attention for itself. I'd be lying if I said it didn't still seem that way in some sense. Even in this thread, they've stated that any publicity for the group is good publicity. I think this trivializes the issues they promote. Look at all the hatred you've managed to get turned against you. 90% (more in this thread) of the people expressing that sentiment haven't said one word about the causes you claim to stand for. They don't hate you for your purported beliefs, they hate you because of the way you act, and by associating yourself with these causes, you're distributing that hatred to them. Don't assume because you converted one that you didn't alienate five. Regardless, I've said what I wanted to say to your leadership. I don't think the "any attention is good attention" is respectful to this community, or to yours. How are you not supposed to feel like a sucker when your leader posts "Ha-Ha we got members from the troll anyway!"? I've also expressed to Jay that I think tolerance is about more than shaming the intolerant. See the sub-thread of Felicia's thread that "inspired" this thread if you care about that. In conclusion, I don't see a reason why Sapphire and the Bnet community can't coexist, and I don't see a reason why Harlow and Jay can't be here, and if they really believe what they claim to believe, I don't think they'll leave. I feel like I understand the hatred better now as well, mainly because I can see that it isn't one-sided. We've all acted shitty towards each other, but I don't see why that has to be the end of us. I also issue one last challenge Harlow and Jay; if you really want to make this about the issues and not about you, you can start by showing some humility towards the people that hate you. It's not like you have anything to lose, and you just might gain some respect.