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An Open Letter to Pete Parsons
Dear Mr. Parsons,
Congratulations on your ascension to CEO.
As someone who has been playing video games since the early 1980’s, I can honestly say that Destiny has proven to be my favorite game of all time. However, and as you are aware perhaps more than anyone, Destiny is in trouble. Big trouble. And I assume you have obtained your position in order to save it. I am therefore writing to you as a fan with some thoughts that I hope you will take to heart.
When Bill Clinton first ran for President he had a sign in his campaign office that read “It’s the economy, stupid.” He did that so he would never forget what he needed to do to win over people to his cause. Can you please put a sign that says “It’s a game, stupid, it's supposed to be fun” on every wall in every office of Bungie HQ?
Bungie was fun, incredibly fun, which is why you have such a large and loyal fan base. However, it’s not fun anymore.
The part of the exotic sword quest where you had to grind for hours getting materials? Not fun. Needing to grind through months of the raid to get any decent helmets or high level armor? Not fun. Playing Nightfall or doing Crucible bounties only to get a low level ghost? Not fun in anyway.
Take last week’s Iron Banner as an example. Rift? Seriously? Yeah, it’s nice playing it here and there, but when you grind through it for a week (because there’s not much else to do in Destiny at this point), and the games were so lopsided that it’s basically a punchline, it’s was just an awful experience. And here’s the thing; your team had to have known that, or at least they knew that a significant portion of your player base would not be happy, but they didn’t care.
That’s one big problem as I see it. While Destiny has been starved of PvE content, your people spend countless hours messing with PvP content in pointless and annoying ways. Rome is burning, Sir, and they are playing those fiddles as hard as they can.
Rift for IB was just another experiment they foisted upon their players, just like all those Days of Lag we experienced. They should have at least given options for IB such as Rift AND Control, but they didn’t. Once again, Bungie catered to the small professional cadre of players who then go out into the world singing their praises.
Yeah, I went there. Please don’t do that anymore.
Unless you want your entire player base to consist only of people who have their own YouTube channels, you need to understand that many of us have families and jobs and we seek games to have some fun and relieve stress. We are the many who don’t practice sniping for 8 hours a day and who will never get to the Lighthouse. As I am sure you know, any business that only serves the wishes of a few is going to lose market share in the long term.
I am not here to say “unless you fix all this I am never playing Destiny again.” On the contrary, I will still play Destiny. Why wouldn’t I? It doesn’t cost me anything more to play. And that’s where I think this all slides downward.
There’s no way I am going spend money on an emote or racing book when your people have treated us so disrespectfully by lying and making the game as un-fun as possible. You want my money? Give content that makes me want to spend it. Don’t do things like Crimson Days, which appears to be a weak copy of Trials (new innovation: drop it from three people on a Fireteam to two).
Most importantly, and here I do think I speak for just about all of us, we want honestly and a true assessment of where this game is going. If you’ve run out of money and there isn’t going to be any new PvE content until Destiny 2, then please just say that. Maybe the whole ten-year plan wasn’t realistic and you need time to do the next game right. That’s okay. Just tell us. With all the rumors and bad information out there, we need to here from you, directly from you, so we all know exactly what is going on.
Destiny is an amazing game, and that can’t be lost on other developers who see how strong your player base is. I am sure right now someone is designing a game even better than Destiny, one where players are treated with respect and far less time is spent Nerfing weapons because we are having too much fun playing your game.
Sincerely,
Stu
[spoiler][b]Moderator edit:[/b] This thread has been moved to #Feedback so that other Destiny players can weigh in. [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/139533839/0/0]See Cozmo's thread here[/url] for more information about the #Feedback tag and its uses.
Feel free to private message the moderator who moved your post, [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Profile/254/218625]Index,[/url] for further clarification about why this topic was moved.[/spoiler]
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I would point to your Walled Garden and lack of a sharing Theater / Custom Lobby ability as seriously crippling Destiny. So many friends dropped off for lack of rewards and sheer boredom and I'm weary of getting another clan formed up, again. The whole sports-centric approach to shared-experiences is missed here and I've scratched my Halo-filled head many times over this. I'd love to tap one of the young talents I've met and guide them to crowd-loving greatne$$. As it is I've stopped playing for a few months now. Granted, software is an ephemeral industry, but I've often wondered at job satisfaction for the Bungie crew who work so hard to make a DLC and then have it irrelevant in a few short months. The dearth of projected upgrades and DLC for 2016 is notable. Compared to the known installments we could anticipate, and sustain us through dry-spells, around year one, we currently have little to anticipate. I would head up a serious effort to look at a new Forge for players to develop content. Bungie simply cannot pump out enough content to satisfy the mass-hallucination we have about this game and it's future. I've seen the same thing in iTV developments and other markets. Give us a sandbox and take advantage of the community interest that persists beyond all reason. Make yourselves relevant, or be relegated to the dusty shelves of history. I'll get out and help push the cart, www.linkedin.com/in/formandfunction
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The only people still playing Destiny 1. Dads 2. Poor People 3. Children.
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Frustration is settin in....mwaaahhhahahahaa
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I might read the rest of this later, I dunno. But personally, I thought Iron Banner Rift was a lot of fun. I had a great time and maxed out my Iron Banner rep, I've never done that before.
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16 RepliesEdited by MILKES: 2/5/2016 6:38:16 PM[i]you need to understand that many of us have families and jobs and we seek games to have some fun and relieve stress. [/i] Yes this is the simplest ethos that needs to be taken on board..... you know the last month or two I have started developing pain in my hands, I can only describe it as a dull ache or similar to repetitive strain disorder and I've never had it before....coincidence I started heavily playing SWEATY PVP more over the last few months to keep Destiny alive, night after SWEATY night on Iron Banner no doubt have caused my hands to cramp and ache, its not masturbation so that's all I can put it down to! Lighten up Bungie allow us casual (Average PVP stats) but serious players ( Play 20-30 hours a week) some fun stuff to do that isn't so sweaty, more story and missions. Edit: just to try and clear up the confusion to the point of my post, above I'm asking for more PVE content nothing to do with PVP ( sorry if it's still unclear) , I mention PVP because that's what everyone including myself is playing lately due to lack of fresh PVE content, it's the only thing being updated and refreshed. By fun Im not implying to make PVP easier, it's fine, it's sweaty right now with lag and game types but it's fine. But we can have some fun too right? Learning more about Destinys Lore, new locations, unlocking new secrets, equipping new items and weapons....they don't all have to be achieved doing something super hard or stressful.
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11 RepliesEdited by x2jakes: 2/5/2016 4:10:09 AMWow, this is amazing Stu; thanks for spending the time. I am like you in that I will never see the lighthouse or mercury but spent an awful lot of time in Destiny, over 2,000 hrs easily. We used to get up at 5am on Tuesdays to run NF before work and run raids each night with a hundred completions. We had all the weapons and gear and boy were they fun to use. We have never completed HM KF once, it was simply too difficult and by then many had left due to the PVE weapon nerfs. We only completed NM a couple times. Why bother when there were no weapons to hope for because all were essentially the same reskins of ones you could purchase but with better roles! Destiny became about light numbers. Then, there was the shift in ideology/game direction around the time Gally got nerfed and destroyed. There were weapon updates from the desk of John Wisnewskii and the world learned about the arrogance of the Sandbox Team Lead (Sage). We were essentially divided into skill groups with the top tier becoming all important because apparently they streamed and had followers. Our PVE weapons were nerfed so more skilled players could take advantage of the skill gap in PVP and widen it even further. The best players were awarded the best gear and weapons and had the best teams to pub stomp randoms in PVP. It is the perfect scenario for top tier players but now their victims have had enough. Any thought of SBMM will fail because it's not pub stomping fun to face an equal opponent with their own talented fireteam equipped with the same lighthouse weapons and gear. It's a sweaty grindfest and challenging but NOT FUN, kind of what PVE has become for the rest of us.
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[quote]Dear Mr. Parsons, Congratulations on your ascension to CEO. As someone who has been playing video games since the early 1980’s, I can honestly say that Destiny has proven to be my favorite game of all time. However, and as you are aware perhaps more than anyone, Destiny is in trouble. Big trouble. And I assume you have obtained your position in order to save it. I am therefore writing to you as a fan with some thoughts that I hope you will take to heart. When Bill Clinton first ran for President he had a sign in his campaign office that read “It’s the economy, stupid.” He did that so he would never forget what he needed to do to win over people to his cause. Can you please put a sign that says “It’s a game, stupid, it's supposed to be fun” on every wall in every office of Bungie HQ? Bungie was fun, incredibly fun, which is why you have such a large and loyal fan base. However, it’s not fun anymore. The part of the exotic sword quest where you had to grind for hours getting materials? Not fun. Needing to grind through months of the raid to get any decent helmets or high level armor? Not fun. Playing Nightfall or doing Crucible bounties only to get a low level ghost? Not fun in anyway. Take last week’s Iron Banner as an example. Rift? Seriously? Yeah, it’s nice playing it here and there, but when you grind through it for a week (because there’s not much else to do in Destiny at this point), and the games were so lopsided that it’s basically a punchline, it’s was just an awful experience. And here’s the thing; your team had to have known that, or at least they knew that a significant portion of your player base would not be happy, but they didn’t care. That’s one big problem as I see it. While Destiny has been starved of PvE content, your people spend countless hours messing with PvP content in pointless and annoying ways. Rome is burning, Sir, and they are playing those fiddles as hard as they can. Rift for IB was just another experiment they foisted upon their players, just like all those Days of Lag we experienced. They should have at least given options for IB such as Rift AND Control, but they didn’t. Once again, Bungie catered to the small professional cadre of players who then go out into the world singing their praises. Yeah, I went there. Please don’t do that anymore. Unless you want your entire player base to consist only of people who have their own YouTube channels, you need to understand that many of us have families and jobs and we seek games to have some fun and relieve stress. We are the many who don’t practice sniping for 8 hours a day and who will never get to the Lighthouse. As I am sure you know, any business that only serves the wishes of a few is going to lose market share in the long term. I am not here to say “unless you fix all this I am never playing Destiny again.” On the contrary, I will still play Destiny. Why wouldn’t I? It doesn’t cost me anything more to play. And that’s where I think this all slides downward. There’s no way I am going spend money on an emote or racing book when your people have treated us so disrespectfully by lying and making the game as un-fun as possible. You want my money? Give content that makes me want to spend it. Don’t do things like Crimson Days, which appears to be a weak copy of Trials (new innovation: drop it from three people on a Fireteam to two). Most importantly, and here I do think I speak for just about all of us, we want honestly and a true assessment of where this game is going. If you’ve run out of money and there isn’t going to be any new PvE content until Destiny 2, then please just say that. Maybe the whole ten-year plan wasn’t realistic and you need time to do the next game right. That’s okay. Just tell us. With all the rumors and bad information out there, we need to here from you, directly from you, so we all know exactly what is going on. Destiny is an amazing game, and that can’t be lost on other developers who see how strong your player base is. I am sure right now someone is designing a game even better than Destiny, one where players are treated with respect and far less time is spent Nerfing weapons because we are having too much fun playing your game. Sincerely, Stu [spoiler][b]Moderator edit:[/b] This thread has been moved to #Feedback so that other Destiny players can weigh in. [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/139533839/0/0]See Cozmo's thread here[/url] for more information about the #Feedback tag and its uses. Feel free to private message the moderator who moved your post, [url=https://www.bungie.net/en/Profile/254/218625]Index,[/url] for further clarification about why this topic was moved.[/spoiler][/quote] Cozmo say something
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Bump.
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Thanks for writing this. This is exactly how I feel.
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1 ReplyWhen they said something about the players not playing as they (bungle) envisioned, in PvE, that was the writing on the wall. Yup. I still play as well. But the raid, the nightfall and the same four strikes...for what? I think it's been six weeks or more since I stepped foot into the raid. I run nightfalls if someone needs help, not because I really want to do it (ran it last night as a 313 and picked up a snazzy 294 ghost). If I wasn't in the middle of a statistics course and needing a way to destroy things...legally and appropriately of course...I've got ESO, Fallout and Warframe waiting until there's not steam pouring from my ears. Come to think of it...bungle's weekly updates are almost as much fun as playing math semantics.
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This.
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2 RepliesEdited by FatalLastOath: 2/5/2016 3:30:10 AMI wish I could go back to the golden days of Vanilla destiny. before all the updates. when i could destroy everything with a badass rocket launcher and feel like a god once i hit that level cap. why after all the grinding do i feel like an average joe..? What good is all the gear if i feel weak. the weapons need that feel again. I'm tired of pvp and doing raids with teams that need to "wipe" if my team dies let me clutch that and look like a boss. everything relies too much on a team and makes it easy to fail with the dumb mechanics, "jump on this platform at the right time or everybody dies!" straight up dumb. let me be a lone wolf and come out as strong as the next guy. my skills, my pace, my fun. destiny isn't what it was. how about this. send me a copy of vanilla destiny before the updates occurred and ill gladly pay for that. i don't need oryx, trials, pvp special modes.
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Great post man. Has the feelings of many pve players in it.
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Bumpity bump for complete agreement. Nice post buddy.
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Edited by Rains: 2/5/2016 5:48:43 PMWell said. Send me an email, for 3 sold months I didn't touch this game.
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3 RepliesEdited by Helios 2117: 2/5/2016 5:59:48 PMInteresting letter - I agree with the first idea strongly - "It's a game, it's supposed to be fun!" The trouble with this kind of game is that people will continue to play even after it is no longer fun because they have invested significant time and effort - it is difficult to abandon that investment. My fear is that Activision abuses player investment - while Bungie struggles to implement the fun.
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Forgive the intrusion, not trying to spam this, though that may be a byproduct of my attempts to keep this rolling. This seems to have touched a chord with many and I believe we should keep this trending. The goal is to get Mr. Parsons to see this if possible and it relates to pretty much all the complaints we have with the game. Whether you agree with all or just part of this post, let's bump and keep it trending. https://www.bungie.net/en/Forum/Post/188868653/0/0 (I know it may be a long shot and this is probably wishful thinking on my end that this will get seen, but if there was ever a time to try, this is it)
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As much as I like the environment and gun play in Destiny it is so hugely disappointing in so many areas that I could never call it my favorite game ever not even close.
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The game has gotten so much better now that he climbed up the corporate latter. Also look at all these updates since he acuired the job.
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3 Replieswould be nice to get a response from him (not DeeJ or Cozmo)
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well said, no need to add anything other than a [b]BUMP!!!!![/b] [b]BUMP!!!!![/b] [b]BUMP!!!!![/b] [b]BUMP!!!!![/b] [b]BUMP!!!!![/b] [b]BUMP!!!!![/b] [b]BUMP!!!!![/b] [b]BUMP!!!!![/b] [b]BUMP!!!!![/b] [b]BUMP!!!!![/b]
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Bump! Yes. Bump x100.
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You will find that for all the time you waste trying to be nice and help the "community" bridge the gap with the "developer"--that nothing will come of it except for disappointment and failure. They don't care about you or what you want, or what the community wants. All they want is your $ New face, new name--same suit (the one Bobby Kotick bought for the old CEO).
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You made a lot of good points.
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Bump. I hope he loses his job if this shit carries on.
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Agreed 100%
