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Edited by A Rising Wind: 8/19/2016 2:06:17 PM
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Will Rasputin become our enemy?

If you put Rasputin’s cards in a chronological order, it shows a picture of Rasputin becoming more and more indifferent to us (humanity) and more and more interested in how he alone can survive a variety of possible outcomes. Not only that, he is learning and adapting based upon his interactions with the Darkness, and may at one point become our enemy. Let’s start with organizing the Rasputin Cards according to timelines: Rasputin During the Golden Age: · Old Russia 3 · Old Russia · Rasputin 5 Rasputin during the Collapse: · Rasputin 3 · Darkness Rasputin post Collapse: · Rasputin 4 · Mysteries So let’s look at Rasputin before the collapse: Rasputin is in the progress of implementing a defense strategy for earth and humanity, SABER GREEN. Rasputin is placing defense weapon systems (“doomsday weapons”) in orbit and scheduling aggressive colonization schedules to speed up getting more people off earth. He’s helped create an army (Exos) to fight whatever is coming. Humanity is still in a golden age but Rasputin has wondered, what if the next unforeseen arrival on earth (ie: the traveler), isn’t as nice? We didn’t see the traveler coming, what else might be coming we don’t see (Old Russia and old Russia 3)? So Rasputin comes up with a plan (Rasputin 5). He creates a series of responses to a variety of events, both internal and external to our solar system. He even comes up with a response just in case the bad guys come and the traveler decides to leave, he’ll attack the traveler to coerce a defensive response from it. He calls this response: LOKI CROWN. LOKI CROWN is what Rasputin will do after things are at MIDNIGHT (basically everything has gone to hell under a “Civilization Kill Event”). There are a series of additional routines Rasputin must run to arrive at this (CARRHAE, VOLUSPA, YUGA. Now let’s look at Rasputin during the collapse. The Darkness card, shows Rasputin’s first detection of the Darkness, the events immediately leading up to the collapse. It is extrasolar (not from our solar system) and approaching fast. Immediately , Rasputin takes control of the defenses and activates CARRHAE, VOLUSPA, and YUGA (think defense routines) and prepares to fight whatever is coming. Rasputin 3 shows that whatever Rasputin is doing, is not working and a Civilization Kill Event is going on. Per Rasputin 5, the next routines Rasputin should run is YOGA SUNDOWN, MIDNIGHT, and LOKI CROWN if needed (to stop the traveler from leaving). YOGA SUNDOWN appears to be cancelling of all population protection objectives, and entering MIDNIGHT basically means Rasputin is going dormant and going to wait out the outcome in hiding, which is in fact what Rasputin does. It is of note, that at no point in any card to date did Rasputin activate LOKI CROWN, which means he never detected the traveler leaving so far as we know. Rasputin went to MIDNIGHT and signed off. There is no doubt in my mind the traveler was damaged by Rasputin’s SABER GREEN doomsdays weapons (aka Aurora Knives in the Alpha Lupi cards), but more as collateral damage from Rasputin fighting the darkness, rather than a direct attack at the traveler itself. So what we have is Rasputin protecting humanity….up to a point. At some point, Rasputin would preserve himself rather than continue fighting if it meant his own demise. My only real point here is that Rasputin is not altruistic, his self preservation is his primary motivation. So now let’s look at Rasputin after the collapse: Ghost Fragment: Mysteries. Here Rasputin is reviewing what he learned from the collapse. The last bit of the card is the line of thought from Rasputin that started me to wonder, my interpretations in parenthesis: “I AM ALONE I survived alone. I cast off the shield and I shrugged my shoulders so that the billions (humans) fell off me like ash. They (humans) made me (Rasputin) to be stronger than them and to learn and I learned well: IT (Darkness) is alone and IT is strong and IT won. Even over the gardener (Traveler) and she held power beyond me but that gardener did not shrug and make herself alone. IT always wins. I am made to win and now I see the way.” So Rasputin has learned to win, so what did he learn? That the traveler was weak for not “shrugging” aka, giving up on humanity and fighting for itself. Rasputin watched the traveler stay and lose. That the darkness won and Rasputin has reviewed what the darkness did to win, and now understands that is the way. Rasputin hid (MIDNIGHT) and evaluated who won and how. Remember how Quaria learned the sword logic from the hive and mimicked it to transform the vex? Rasputin is on a similar course. He’s developing the strategy for his own survival and it’s modeled from the darkness. So what is Rasputin doing next? Read Rasputin 4. The last lines are most relevant to this topic: “I (Rasputin) do not obey. My will is pure. I will win. The life of people, of entire planets, his no importance in relation to the general development (how much does this sound like Oryx talking about the final shape?). Help me be victorious. Tell me your (Exo Stranger) secret. Tell me how to step (jump timelines).” Rasputin is now showing no care for humanity. He wants to understand the vex technology of timelines, and running infinite scenarios until his ultimate success and survival is ensured. Think the vex are dangerous, remember in the Vex research by Ishtar that vex couldn’t simulate a warmind. A warmind, who learned what it took to win from the darkness itself, with the ability to traverse timelines at will, with only his own preservation in mind… is a very dangerous thing. I don’t know what the overall destiny story arc will be, but the more I read, the more I believe that Rasputin will become our enemy. Right now, he needs us until he is fully activated, so he opens his doors to us when threatened. But once operational, Rasputin will have no use for us and could see us as a threat to his own goals.

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  • Edited by Fishyb: 9/21/2016 11:53:39 AM
    Given Rasputin is so interested in vex time technology, it (Rasputin) could well be IT, i.e. the big bad darkness, i.e. Rasputin gone rampant from the future. Though not a fact, we can assume an AI like that would evolve exponentially quicker than anything else, plus with access to tech like siva, there wouldn't anything at all to stand in its way going forward.

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    • I agree. Right now he's in the process of "MIDNIGHT EXIGENT" which will reformat his moral structure. In other words reprogram himself to make saving himself, not humanity, priority 1.

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    • Bump

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      • To have you here is amazing. Keep it up and thanks for your knowledge

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        • awesome

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        • Does anyone one else wish somebody would compile a book together of all known and inferred destiny lore and put it in chronological order there is an amazing story here it's just scattered among players

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        • Enemy? No. Friend? No. Rasputin's only imperative is humanity's survival. He will save us, even if it kills us.

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        • Maybe

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        • If he is our enemy, why give us the Sleeper Simulant and the Pocket Infinity?

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          • Rasputin is a savage and is gonna save all our asses so don't hate to hard yet

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          • Im probably not right but this is my theory. The traveller is evil.i think Rasputin knows this.but also knows that the guardians are unaware. I dont think he will be our next enemy.I think hell play the guardians as long as he can till hes ready to strike.

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            • The next DLC is Fight oryxs dog in... The Dog below Coming March 15th

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              • Maybe our next DLC will be all about us enlisting his aid. With five alien races plotting our annihilation, and the Traveler in limbo between death and life, we need all the help we can get.

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              • Why couldn't Bungie let Joseph Staten do his script for the Destiny storyline? XD

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              • Maybe in the next dlc Rasputin doesn't give a -blam!- about humanity and the tower gets destroyed (social space will still be there) and a new social space is added for people who get that far in the storyline. The guardians a will fight to push back the advancing enemy and reclaim the tower or something. [spoiler]the main enemy could be the cabal since we have yet to see a cabal themed dlc[/spoiler]

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              • Edited by Romulus: 1/10/2016 10:26:52 PM
                Since you included Rasputin 5 grimoire card, you should take the time to read the part where it says and I quote "Activate LOKI CROWN." Please before you say it wasn't mentioned because Rasputin did in fact attack the traveler to keep it from leaving

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                • I thought he was an ally and apparently i saw somewhere cant remember that the vex were trying to protect us until we fought them

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                • Imagine you use the machine you're mind gets broken to pieces as a person you die or are to broken to fix now you're a awoken you are wise but not that wise... Still kind of human.. So you end up like a exo you're mind gets broken... Then you reset you're mind deleting or suppressing everything only some memories are there some people don't know about some still out of that machine but too short or good enough to make any sense out of it but wat if the gunsmith was like the test subject he did it then like 66 times he doesn't even know what's what but if he puts all those pieces or like a small part of a picture what if the gunsmith or the stranger reaches 100 or has just enough pieces like just more than 50 and it's you're face so all those things could be helped by u and u only a medicine sick huh you're the chosen one out of billions of out comes (like I killed 2 gods 1 special vex mind and destroyed a entire house and killed all of the cabal leaders) what if we're just something manipulated by the exo stranger and gunsmith so we could save the world [spoiler]mind blown! [/spoiler]

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                • Vex or cabal is the next dlc..if no dlc it will come in next game

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                • Here's a thought What if rasputin is the mind that controls the vex. That would give truth to the whole we created the vex thing as well.

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                  • Then why is he having guardians defend his bunker? Sleeper stimulant card

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                    • I think bungie has an amazing story. It's just not in the game

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                    • Good read

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                    • I think Rasputin should play a big part in the upcoming story (assuming Bungie do develop things) there's so many directions they could take, and I'm hoping they do a good job.

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                    • I think that the speaker is the enemy. New monarchy constantly dis him.

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                      • This has more story than the entire game.

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