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Edited by Red Motive:
10/16/2015 2:23:11 AM
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Sunbreaker is not as Over-Powered as you may Think (New Iron Banner Statistics)
[I][b]Disclaimer:[/b] Data is parsed from more than 75,000 games. If you have any enquires about the data collected take it up with the collector whom you may find at the link provided near the bottom of this post. Thank you.[/I]
[b][u]Iron Banner Subclass Charts[/u][/b]
Curious how your Subclass ranks in Iron Banner? Here's a few charts to highlight a few statistics.
[u]Subclass Popularity:[/u]
- Pie Chart: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jAMKZMyjKKSIqkmfbidJfNnff9kc5cURiLl9Z7e9CpU/pubchart?oid=109707480&format=interactive
- Most popular: Sunbreaker at 21.4%.
- Least popular: Defender at 1.60%
- Average popularity by Class: 44.41% for Hunters, 28.2% for Titans and 27.39% for Warlocks
[u]Subclass Average Kill/Death (K/D) Ratio:[/u]
- Bar Chart: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1jAMKZMyjKKSIqkmfbidJfNnff9kc5cURiLl9Z7e9CpU/pubchart?oid=1406256444&format=interactive
- Highest K/D Ratio: Gunslinger at 1.0945%
- Lowest K/D Ratio: Striker at 0.9102%
- Average K/D Ratio by Class: 1.0447 for Hunters, 1.0041 Warlocks and 0.984 for Titans
[u]Table:[/u]
https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/3opxes/iron_banner_subclass_charts_showing_average_kd/cvzco81
[u]Source:[/u]
https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheGame/comments/3opxes/iron_banner_subclass_charts_showing_average_kd/
[b]Edit:[/b]
I can not get to all of you and I apologise for that. Another thing: before completely ignoring these statistics try and take into account not only the super but the vast majority of the game as well - i.e. time spent without a Super. Because the Sunbreaker Subclass is so heavily focused around Hammer of Sol, it is left with a mediocre neutral game with few options in comparison with others - e.g. Gunslinger. This is what turns the tide and puts Gunslinger at top. That and the fact that Golden Gun is still extremely good. For example unlike Hammer of Sol if Golden Gun is activated in your line of sight your chances of survival are extremely low due to it being extremely difficult to avoid in comparison to Hammer of Sol thanks to the lack of travel time, lack of arc, high aim assist and so on.
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Edited by PoisonOak22: 11/12/2015 12:49:53 AMThank you! I've heard far enough about how "hard" Sunbreakers are to defeat and how they need to be nerfed, but I would like to lodge a complaint about another class: The Nightstalker. Anecdotal reason: I was in the crucible, mayhem mode, minding my own business. I had just pulled the Hammer Of Sol out of my pocket while searching for my cell phone, when all of a sudden I heard a whoosh and my hammer disappeared. I was so frustrated, I tried to turn around to face this fiend, but not only was my power gone, but also my speed and health were being drained. I was then quickly picked off with a few shots from his primary weapon. When I respawned I had no hammer and a reset waiting period. I was pissed!
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2 RepliesHow about a stat like kills per super launched. I think that is the complaint there bud and I don't see that stat. Like every time you hit the super how many die by the end of it. Oh yes with your flam hammer isn't that like half a minute? That is the stat that will likely be the undoing of the hammer titan. No salt here. I don't care for any of the new subclasses and am not big time into pvp but you would have to be blind or badly biased not to see that that subclass was designed by someone who had smoked something strong to put it into a game where they talk balance in the sand box.
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1 ReplyEdited by NickyyMouse: 11/6/2015 11:55:28 PMSo basically you're saying people who play as Titans are bad. agreed
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1 ReplyYeah, a tracking sticky grenadine and explosive melee (that regen health when ever you get a kill) definitely make the worst neutral game out of all classes. [spoiler]*Sarcasm*[/spoiler]
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65 RepliesThis is facts not opinion : A breakdown of super kills in PvP only: Hunter Gunslinger 190,777,669 (15.28%) Hunter Bladedancer 174,969,632 (14.01%) Titan Striker 156,269,948 (12.52%) Warlock Sunsinger 154,932,130 (12.41%) [b]Hunter Nightstalker 142,156,284 (11.39%)[/b] Titan Defender 124,666,922 (9.98%) Warlock Voidwalker 116,239,024 (9.31%) [b]Titan Sunbreaker 106,671,945 (8.54%) Warlock Stormcaller 81,881,398 (6.56%)[/b] And percentage of class usage: Warlock: 33.5% Hunter: 34.1% Titan: 32.4% Note the bolded numbers. Those are the three new subclasses starting from 9/15. Also, note where Sunbreakers are sitting compared to Nightstalker and the other subclasses. This proves that people aren't used to Titans being able to be a threat at a distance while super and they are now just crying about it. The entire sun breaker class is garbage anyways besides the hammers. Grenades suck and aren't useful, jump is the same as all the other three jumps. So stop crying . Data > your opinion
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Not sure what I was reading but it looked like without an op super that titans are mostly SCRUBs.
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Another person throwing up stats without understanding them.
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2 RepliesWhat shows how many playing the class though. Before ttk wasn't there 2 hunters for every 1 of anything else. That would skew the numbers.
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Im sorry but almost every game i respawned and saw a sunbreaker, thats how i reacted
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All this effort put into being wrong
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I am loving all of this flawed data. maybe these "researchers" should only take data from TTK launch to now to get an ACCURATE representation THEN compare it to statistics taken from the past year. just saying.
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4 RepliesSunbreaker has almost takin the blade dancers spot in super kills in pvp in just 2 months, as apposed to blade dancers which has been out a whole year. But you say it's not op.. derp
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1 ReplyNever was overpowered. The subclass has nothing to offer BUT the hammers and the Trials have shown that people have learned to adapt to it.
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26 RepliesThis doesn't prove anything other than class usage... show us average kills/super. That is the important statistic.
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2 RepliesEdited by Empyreanzz: 10/16/2015 5:17:22 PMHow does this prove that the SUPER itself isnt OP.
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8 RepliesHow does gunslinger have a better neutral game than sunbreakers. They both have incendiary gernades, throwing knife is gimmicky and isn't useful during competitive play while the sunstrike melee is one hit on low armor players. Gunslingers have awful passive perks, I mean the only one remotely useful is 2 throwing knifes but that is nothing compared to every ability kill regenerating health.
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4 RepliesRealistically people are learning the skills needed to counter HoS. It doesn't need adjustment. I mean people are arguing that you aren't able to OHK it. It's no different then blade dancer in terms of figuring out a strategy
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1 ReplyYeah, I've seen a great deal of Titans dying while using hammer of sol recently, especially in iron banner. Yes, they are a very strong super, but storm trance and shadow shot are too. HoS is just being over hyped. Yes, titans have alot of armor while using their super, but that is why we are called.. Titans.
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1 ReplyHA! And it's the hunters that do all the crying yet they are still the best.
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6 RepliesAnecdotal 'evidence' and bias will trump your statistics every day. Some people you just can't reach.
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1 Reply*popcorn for all those who don't btch*
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1 ReplyEdited by NOBLE 7878: 10/16/2015 5:16:15 PMBump, let the whiners see the truth
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6 RepliesEdited by RunicBlade: 11/3/2015 2:39:47 AMMan i hate it when hunters complain about how op hammer of sol is. Youre a damn hunter use your high mobility and get into a better position to deal with it, if youre a gunslinger just use increased control on your jump and evade over the top of them. Blink if youre a bladedancer, and if youre a nightstalker you can most easily evade them or straight up fight them. You can jump right over them hit em with smoke and if you run shotgun blast em, or smoke where they are coming from and snipe. Better yet just place your super in thier path, holy shit use your damned brains hunters its not that hard to deal with!
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2 RepliesWhats so good about out of super gunslinger? Just curious. Also... If u get rekt by gg thats activated in front of you... Git gud scrub.
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Everyone says only the super is good. Honesty you need to just learn how to use the class correctly.
