Bump please I have a new theory that has not been posted here yet but I want to read a couple grim cards to make sure it is even possible. [b][u]edit[/u][/b] Okay this may be a little out there. But here goes. There doesn't seem to be any grimoire pointing to this, but there isn't any that says it's not possible. I think that the exo stranger could possibly be the queen reborn. It doesn't seem possible that Mara sov's body could have survived the dreadnoughts weapon, but it seems that her brother still feels her essence somewhere. The queen has/had powers that we don't know about I think she somehow preserved her consciousness/essence. Sometime in the future we will find this out and obtain her essence and place it into an exo frame. The stranger had the ability to time travel. It could also explain why the stranger is not"created in light". Sorry for the ideas bouncing all over the place but I'm not too good at this lol. I was just reading different theories and this popped into my head. If anybody has any other ideas that support this is love to hear it. And if anyone can disprove it I'd also like to hear that as well. thanks for reading.

My question is what where those balls of light that Mara shot into the Dreadnaught? If im not mistaken there were 9 of them (What comes in 9's and is associated with the Queen of the Reef? Hmmn i wonder) and they didnt seem to actually harm the thing, more like bury into it. Also as we know from the one cabal strike the power core for the dreadnaught could wipe out HALF THE SOLAR SYSTEM if it blows so really what the hell were the Awoken doing out there!?

She is clearly talking to Eris. Eris morn crawled from the pit. And the "hidden" friend remark is actually a reference to a secret group of guardians working for the vanguard under Ikora. The group is known as the Hidden I believe. Also conversations between the awoken royalty and Eris pertaining to Oryx's arrival could be found in the Grimoire during HOW expansion. I haven't yet figured out all of it, but that much all seemed abundantly clear to me.

Posts like these are the only reason I keep coming back to the forums. Keep it up Guardians.

What if Eric's Mom was the Queens Ghost? Hidden in plain sight and able to revive her?

Or.. Just like with the sleeper gun.. You nerds just think too much about these kind of things.

Firstly, the Awoken were born from the Collapse, from when the Traveler died, the combination of Light and Darkness created the Awoken, "the Awoken are my family now", " I still bear the scars", meaning that the Awoken weren't always her home, something cataclysmic transformed the Awoken, possibly indicating she is a "firstborn" Awoken. "Our beautiful creation", that is her family-the Awoken, the Reef. Eris is most definitely human, and she has probably developed a relationship with the Queen prior to the battle, she obviously knew her at the time she asked Mara to help end Oryx, but Eris is human. "All part of the plan". Mara knew more than she let on. She knew, or at least guessed she would not win the fight around Saturn. At the last bit of her saying, " Guide them, my Hidden friend," she is talking to Eris, as she is known to be part of the Hidden. Eris having powers we don't yet know? Possibly, that Orb she carries speaks to her in some way. I'll have to disagree with Cliferhex on the Taox theory. She didn't have three eyes before she went into the Pit, she also had a Ghost before going into that Pit. The Krill evolved into Morphs, such as the Knight, Mother, King, etc, not simply a cloak to their appearance, and Taox is a mother morph, meaning she would look similar to a wizard.

No idea who toax is and can't seem to find any info... anyone have some info? This stuff is really interesting

I wanna know who the knight with the glowing sword is

I thought it would be cool if Mara Sov either is the spark or is controling it. I never understood why this little "Taken" light seemed to be helping us through the story and the raid. But if she sacrificed herself intentionally... P.S. I don't think she is dead and she will probably be back. Wouldn't it be cool if she had Oryx's Taken powers??? O_O

[quote]Has anyone else really thought about what Mara Sov was saying? I believe that in some way this cutscene is showing many hints to what may come. Maybe it even shows you who Eris Morn really is.[/quote]Yes... It does.[quote]Let's start of with how it opened. The ghosts were sent out during the collapse, which I'm sure all of us already knew. Some key words "I was born the moment the traveller died...". So would this mean the Traveller is dead? The Traveller isn't protecting us [i]we are protecting ourselves[/i]! This cutscene could also be pointing out that [u]it[/u] was the first ghost? Along with this beginning part our ghost says "I know it made me to bring you back." This meaning that your ghost wasn't looking for [i]just anyone[/i] it was looking for [i]you[/i]. The ghost says that he spent centuries searching, so does this mean we have been dead for VERY long time? I believe this also means that the collapse was a very long time ago. So maybe with some of the information in game and in the grimoire, we could discovered exactly how old we are and exactly when the collapse happened?[/quote]Err. Sort of. We already know we've been dead for a very long time... Ghost tells us in the very first cutscene. I've always sort of assumed we died during the Collapse, what with the being in/near rusty cars and what not. The Ghost wasn't looking specifically for us, as part of a plan or anything. He would have taken anyone willing to come back.[quote]Let's skip to Mara Sovs part. "I remember everything about the day I was born. I still bear the scars." What could this mean? She was born in battle? Was she a guardian that was abandoned by her ghost and left to die? Or maybe did the darkness attack her?[/quote]The Awoken were born from the clashing energies of the Light and Darkness when they tried to flee Earth on spaceships. Exposure to those energies warped the very fabric of their being... And left scars. Never comes right out and says it that I could find, but it's heavily implied in the Awoken Grimoire cards.[quote]"We fought to keep our beautiful creation safe." I believe this means something more than her ship. Although it's a great ship, she sort of let it get destroyed..... Could she mean us?[/quote]She means the Reef. Her (and her people's) beautiful creation is the society she built over the centuries with her own two hands.[quote]"You and I know how this ends. We've known since you escaped that.... Pit." I believe that Mara is talking about Eris. Which could mean Eris is Awoken. I don't believe she would be talking to Oryx or our guardian for well a few reasons. Oryx and our guardian didn't exactly "escape that pit" but who did? Eris Morn, but was she stuck there for no reason? I don't think so, she has powers that we don't see other guardians have. Now this leads me to another point.[/quote]Yes, she's talking about Eris. Eris has been in contact with the Queen since before House of Wolves at the latest, and possible since before she went into the pit to slay Crota. [url=http://db.destinytracker.com/grimoire/allies/the-queen/ghost-fragment-the-queen-2]Ghost Fragment: The Queen 2[/url][quote]I do not believe Mara Sov is dead, and maybe the rest of the awoken isn't. Eris was able to teleport us out of Crotas realm, couldn't she do the same to the queen? I believe some how Eris got powers to see the future and do other things that maybe we don't know of yet, and that is why she carries that husk around."[/quote]We were in the Ascendant Realm when she did that, and she didn't pull us from it, but moved us within it. The trick she used was Toland's according to herself. I don't think the trick works in the "real world".[quote]The awoken have played their part." Mhmm, yeah they did practically nothing....[/quote]They attacked the Dreadnaught and its fleet, forcing Oryx to use the super weapon and cripple his own fleet to smash the Awoken. This was the plan she and Eris came up with, since the Vanguard don't really have a "standing fleet" with which to engage in a space battle.[quote]"This..... Was all part of the plan." Wait, how did she know this was going to happen? As a matter of fact how is Mara even saying this right now. She's supposed to be de..... But maybe she isn't![/quote]Yes, maybe she isn't. Or it was artistic license or a message she sent to Eris.[quote]I think the most cryptic part is the last line although. "Guide them, my hidden friend...." Which gives us another reason why Mara couldn't be speaking to us as guardians. She has to be talking to someone helping us. Which leads us to believe it is Eris Morn. Who helps us the whole time during TTK? Eris Morn..... And Cayde. Eris Morn escaped a "Pit"[/quote]My Hidden friend, not hidden. Capitalization is important. The Hidden are Ikora's spies.... And they count Eris among them. Her class items and at least one emblem are named for them. [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fH1MGvZhsf8 ]All Cutscenes from The Taken King[/url] with in-game subtitles. "Hidden friend" is at 6:50 seconds. Actually only one real reference and some implications from the Awoken race cards. Sorry for so much supposition.

Yo, at one point in Destinys life, in some raid down the road, Bungie needs to give us the ability to unleash a hyper-charged super ability like Mara Sov did with the help of her servants. Aka that Multi-Nova Bomb.

Maybe a bit off topic but I noticed something no one has pointed out. In the TTK cinematic you can watch now on your director shows a warsat landing on an asteroid which then crashes into the dreadnaught. No body mentioned it during the sleeper hunt, and it was not part of that, but I bet it serves a role.