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They were balanced well, though.
The red death is like a low B and 3lw is a high B. Bad Juju is an A for sure.
Suros got nerfed to like a B and all thats really left is Thorn and Hawkmoon at S tier. Vex suffers from lag too much to be there. It's a high A due to it not being hit scan.
what do you think? this is for primarys, i understand felwinters lie is an S and all the other sg's got nerfed.. primaries.
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Red Death is absolutely an A. I would put Thorn on the same level as Red Death, honestly, with Hawkmoon as the mega-weapon. Vex has been far less effective lately, not just at range (for whatever reason).