[b][i]BUNGIE, ADD ELEMENTAL DAMAGE TO PRIMARY EXOTICS TO MAKE THEM WORTH THE SLOT[/i][/b]
[b][u]BAD JUJU IS AMAZING IN EVERY WAY, GUN EXCLUDED FROM DISCUSSION[/u][/b]
Important note: I want to reword an idea here, as this thread is insanely hostile, I think the problem is with the way better secondary and Heavy exotics people will say "time to pull out x!" And that feeling doesn't happen with most primaries. You CAN use the primary in certain situations, but it's never a time you couldn't just use a legendary raid. I feel like there needs to be more "damn I wish I had x primary gun right now" for situations. lack of elements on them is a big part of that I think. All the time you hear "damn I could use that raid gun right now" but how often do you hear that for primary exotics? That's not how I feel a gun of that caliber should be treated.
Secondary and Heavy exotics are all substantially better than most primaries in all situations, and most primary exotics are mediocre to the point you might as well be using a legendary in that slot instead, or are marginally better via a perk or something, sometimes even the legendaries have more useful perks! What's the point of wasting that slot, besides using a mediocre gun for fun?
And no I'm not counting pvp where a bunch of guns become worth it. PvP makes even white level guns good, but some guns aren't worth using in either section, like hard light and nlb, vex mythoclast is still a god in PvP and it's not bad in PvE but it's not good enough to make it a must have gun, abyss defiant does it's job of smashing wizards easier, and that was the main use of it with its solar damage. It's usable, but not worth it if you're gonna need ammo in your ice breaker or a powerful rocket launcher or lmg soon.
Edit: I think part of the problem is how the game is designed. Crota is made for rockets, anything else is crap on him. Atheon is made for snipers (yes we all know he can be taken down with rockets and primaries too, not really the point). I think we need a raid that benefits the use of primaries, to diversify the guns we use. Icebreaker and gjallarhorn dominate PvE because of missions design, and I think bungie needs to rethink some of that. Maybe some boss that needs rapid fire weapons to take down shields or keep shields down, etc.
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Red Death? Vex? Hawkmoon? Thorn? TLW(PvP)?
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Thorn is great
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Actually there is a time I say that for an exotic primary. Anytime I need speed, like the Abyss or running the thrall hall after bridge, it becomes, MiDA time. Or if I need to do the generate orbs Eris bounty, it becomes, Bad Juju time to get my super up quickly. Granted, VERY few times. But that just means the special and heavy exotics do have more of a long term and more often use than exotic primaries. It doesn't make the primaries terrible or worthless, just not special enough to warrant 90%+ of use over other legendary primaries.
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Exotics aren't supposed to be op they're supposed to be unique and have weird perks and if we combined these perks with elemental power they would be ridiculous.
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Bad Juju+ Obsidian Mind beats all other exotic combinations.
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No land beyond is the only in usable exotic primary the rest r actually decent
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Edited by Mikebroad99: 3/6/2015 2:10:08 AMThree H's Hawkmoon Hammer Hunger
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There are a few that earn their status like Bad Juju and Red Death. Then there is Mida which is situationally very useful, but yes, I agree with you in general Vex used to be a God Tier exotic that was worthy of taking your slot and building around, but has been nerfed to mid-tier status. There are no Primary Exotics that can really hold their own when something like Gjallarhorn is a better option in 99% of encounters.
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Red Death would like to have a word with you.
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I like MIDA because it makes you so much faster.
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I use bad juju only yellow enemys
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I take my thorn everywhere with me
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Was gonna bash but saw the bad juju disclaimer and though "alright sweet"
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I use the Red Death when Fighting crota, and the vex to complete bounties. that's basically the only exotic primary weapons I use consistently. There are so many amazing legendary primaries that I have no use for any exotics. Gotta leave room for the IB and Gally!
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I agree and definitely understand. For me, I rarely use a Primary Exotic due to the fact that most don't have Elemental Burns on them (I honestly can't think of one other than the Vex). I would prefer weapons with Burns as they become handy in most situations in PvE, especially for enemies with overshields.
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I dunno I quite like using my last word it's a lot of fun even if it's not great, same with the thorn
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Question for everyone concerning a certain exotic primary: Thorn. Do you guys feel this handcannon hits shield really hard, harder than usual for some reason? I've never been able to break shields this fast using just kinetic damage. It's super weird to me cause its the first thing I noticed after switching from Fatebringer. It still feels like it hits shields just as hard as Fatebringer did for arc shields.
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your edit was spot on. except for one exception, i NEED my multi tool for patrols, just for that raw speed yo
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I have to disagree with you, bad juju is awesome for taking out a ton of mobs and it recharges your super very fast! For bosses I would switch out to thunderlord or icebreaker, but for just doing roc strikes I keep to my bad juju.
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Most exotic primary is used in pvp instead of pve.
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mmmm bad juju, red death?? Besides you are not using heavy all the time, or specials all the time, the gun you use the most is your primary and they shouldn't be so good that you don't need to use specials, I understand your point of view, but i definitely don't share it. Hawk moon is the best handcanon in the game, it is fun to use, and a game main objective is to be fun.
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Edited by slopat: 3/5/2015 4:23:42 AMApart from disagreeing with Atheon being made for snipers (ever have a team of GHs with weapons of light?) I essentially agree. Exotic primaries should have burn damage to truly make them exotic.
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Nothing beats Bad Juju for clearing out adds. And if you're a Warlock with Obsidion Mind then you know how awesome this gun is. I've been using mine since long before the weapon change and exotic patch though. So I may be slightly biased, it's my favorite exotic in the game for now. All weapons are situational however. I'm not going in a boss room with Bad Juju, or any pulse rifle for that matter, but I'm also not keeping an Icebreaker in my exotic slot at all times. Every gun has its moments, learning to balance them is key. [spoiler]and no I don't have Gjally yet or my opinions may be different ; )[/spoiler]
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Red death ? Just wondering
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Yeah that SGA and 4th Horseman are totally better than any exotic primary. -___________-
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Edited by Romperroom23: 3/4/2015 11:33:48 PMThe only reason you feel that way is because people either use icebreaker or ballerhorn for pve. If I could equip more than 1 exotic I'd be rocking the Hawkmoon all day. Honestly if they added some quest to place an element on an exotic you'd see a lot more exotic primaries used.