1st. This cheesing is too real. 2nd. Even when the players don't cheese. There is no true incentive for guardians not to cheat the system. Lets talk the real stink your dev team clearly is blatently ignoring. Crotas end. The abyss. We all wait for a hunter to jump from lamp to lamp while invisable. And solo kill your ogre. Then haul ass for the light at the end of the tunnel. Im pretty sure any class can do the same with a patience and time. (havent tested) The bridge. ... Again a joke. Can be done with one man. Your invisable wall is laughable at best. Nice try. Next time. Have your testers spend more time trying to break your system. While the rest of the raid is actually challenging to a degree. The crota fight lacks that something special. I Come from raiding world of warcraft. (40 man.) (world firsts and US firsts under my belt) First. Lets talk risk and reward. Since you clearly have no intention for fixing CE I would like to use it as an example for what changes i would have made. The abyss. The objective is for all players to make it to the end of the tunnel alive and fighting. Some people may think that the amount of enemies at the end is excessive. I disagree. Challenge welcomed. Risk and reward: each guardian must be in the area of every lamp activated all the way to the final pad in order to have a chance at something better than just shards and energy. On hard mode. Give the guardians a real bone and add the chance for exotics. This gives each individual player the incentive to complete the course. Instead of having one player do all of the work. Which the vast majority of raid groups rely on. If they want to just sit at the start. And wait on the hunter. Then shards and energy for them!!!! Next.. The bridge. Now. Its sad I have been in groups where guardians have no idea how to complete this section legit. 6 sword bearers. 6 gate keepers to kill before ogres arive. What if a guardian dies before crossing? Make a way for guardians to get back to the first side of the area. All 6 gate keepers must be killed using the sword. If you have a registered gatekeeper kill. Then chance for gear. No kill. Then just shards and energy. Death does not exclude you from gear chance should you die in this section should you have a registered gate keeper kill. This gives guardians once again. Incentive not to cheat the system and sit back. So far this half of the raid for some guardians is sit back.. Pop a few shots and recieve free gear for doing nothing but being there. The tunnel is a fun little race for the door. Nothing really to complain about here. The death singer fight has got to be MY FAVORITE part of the raid. It actually takes skill in evasion. Awareness of surroundings. And cut team timing. Not to mention a race. One thing i feel could sweeten the pot. Add a chance for exotics ONLY if a deathsinger kill is registered before the litergy. Just my opinion on that one. Not really crying to much. AND NOW FOR THE END. Your team has to beat the big man. The boss of bosses. Im sorry... Did I say team? I meant one guardian to run up over and over again with the sword. No they arent exactly putting the team on their back here. But like I said. This battle lacks something special. Because for 5 guardians. Its nearly all. Sit back and pop off (well timed) shots. Lets stir up these noodles!!! RISK AND REWARD!!! Risk: the sword can only be used once per guardian. Reward: a much more exciting fight. Since you just helped beat the highest level boss. Even if you died. Chance for exotics!!! You could have done better bungie. Not to say your game sucks. But im dissapointed in the lack of your team giving a sh** about the pve end game content. With your achievements in the gaming world you should take some pride in what you made. Not just let players exploit your game like they do. Sorry for the rant. And in the sporting low blow. I know for a fact if there were exploits like this in pvp. Your team would be all over it. See thats the thing about videogames... You can change what has happened in the past. Thats why we all play. Period.