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7/4/2008 1:17:58 AM
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So Bungies going to ban alot of innocent people? (3 bungie comments)
The new update had some nice things to say: free map, free stuff on 7/7, and cheaper maps....
But then there was a section of bad news that some of you might have noticed: and it struck more than a few questions across my mind.
-how does bungie plan on banning all the people with modded maps, and modded pictures on their fileshares?
-how will they implement this new update so every last person with a modded item knows of this update?
-and does this update count towards the 100 downloadable files on your harddrive you are allowed?
I believe that this update is unreasonable, and heres why it would be illogical:
most people who have modded maps on their fileshares are not going to read the front page update. honestly, its a strange thing to ban people who have downloaded these maps. Its more sensible to ban the creators.
second, this seems like a very extreme action to take, because modding has yet to hit halo 3's matchmaking. I know its all cautionary, but the thought of being banned from playing halo online over the fact your friend gave you a modded map with extra elephants seems excessive.
What is everyones thoughts?
[Edited on 07.04.2008 2:58 PM PDT]
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I was reading this and noticed that Recon54 said you could set your "router to ignore that traffic" in the sense that you could block people from ip flooding you. I'm not sure if it has ever happened to me but it has happened to alot of people in the community. Could you make a thread or somthing about how one could possible set there network up correctly. [Edited on 07.09.2008 12:36 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Im a Ninja [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] thewildthing For all people confused about this rule and what it means: Don't distribute any moderated content through your Halo 3 file share. If you do, you will either be banned from your file share, or banned from xbox live. [/quote] Thank you. Why not have Microsoft send out one of those messages they send out when Xbox Live will be going down. Except have it say something along the lines of "For all Halo 3 players, any modded content found on your fileshare will result in a permenant ban from xbox live/Halo 3 Matchmaking(Whatever you're doing)." You could even give a small explenation of what modded content is so no one can claim to be ignorant. Let me know what you think[/quote] You already said this, I already replied, you ignored it. ;)
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Shishka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Phoenix Boom When does the update start because, I have a small screenshot of a non-halo 3 related topic in my fileshare. I don't wish to be banned, so I need to know when it is released. I also planned to keep some of my downloaded modded shots and maps, on my hardrive, for entertainment.[/quote] Oh my god. Did you really pick a thread where people are discussing how modded content on your fileshare can get you banned to announce that you have modded content on your file share? Seriously? I can't even figure out how you figure out how to sit up in the morning, let alone use a computer. You'll note that one particular offending file is no longer on your file share. Consider that the shot across your nose. Remove any and all other modded content from your fileshare immediately, or kiss access to your fileshare goodbye.[/quote]What about in game screenshots of modded items Like say for instance i took a screenshot of three people with skulls and white coloured flags around us is this a ban??? Considering it has 1400 something downloads. Please post back to this or PM me to my bungie inbox [Edited on 07.09.2008 12:31 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] thewildthing For all people confused about this rule and what it means: Don't distribute any moderated content through your Halo 3 file share. If you do, you will either be banned from your file share, or banned from xbox live. [/quote] Thank you. Why not have Microsoft send out one of those messages they send out when Xbox Live will be going down. Except have it say something along the lines of "For all Halo 3 players, any modded content found on your fileshare will result in a permenant ban from xbox live/Halo 3 Matchmaking(Whatever you're doing)." You could even give a small explenation of what modded content is so no one can claim to be ignorant. Let me know what you think
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For all people confused about this rule and what it means: Don't distribute any moderated content through your Halo 3 file share. If you do, you will either be banned from your file share, or banned from xbox live. I believe by moderated content they mean all maps, pictures, and films which are not from using the tools given to you on your Halo 3 disc. However, I'm not sure if maps are treated as severely as pictures or if they are even against the rules, but I wouldn't risk putting them on your file share. [Edited on 07.09.2008 12:30 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Shishka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Phoenix Boom When does the update start because, I have a small screenshot of a non-halo 3 related topic in my fileshare. I don't wish to be banned, so I need to know when it is released. I also planned to keep some of my downloaded modded shots and maps, on my hardrive, for entertainment.[/quote] Oh my god. Did you really pick a thread where people are discussing how modded content on your fileshare can get you banned to announce that you have modded content on your file share? Seriously? I can't even figure out how you figure out how to sit up in the morning, let alone use a computer. You'll note that one particular offending file is no longer on your file share. Consider that the shot across your nose. Remove any and all other modded content from your fileshare immediately, or kiss access to your fileshare goodbye.[/quote] This is why i like bungie, they don't just release a game and say have fun. They monitor and make decisions based off the community plus they actually enforce there rule over there game. Your greatly appreciated Shiska by everyone in the community.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Niko Jims [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] L00 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] monstes jars Yeah, i guess your right. Technically the people who have modded content are breaking the Code of Conduct. I guess theres no going around it. However, as far as my opinion goes i still think they shouldn't be banned. But to be honest i have no idea why i'm arguing about this. I don't give a crap about modded content. I guess i just like being a nonconformist whenever possible. [/quote]I'm definitely not discouraging your (or anyone else's) nonconformity. It just seems to me that agreeing to your [url=http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/legal/?WT.svl=nav]Terms of Use[/url]*, then not following through on what you agreed to is dishonest. That I'm not such a big fan of. *Linked for everyone's convenience; if you agreed to them without reading them, please do yourself a favor and go read them! [/quote] Do you honestly think the people here will actually read them? They just click ACCEPT because its in big letters! Trust me. No one will.[/quote]Yeah, I know, but I like to indulge in a little hopeless optimism from time to time.
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Two questions. I'd like a reply from a Bungie employee Is it just modded content on your Fileshare?(Can you play it still just not on you're fileshare?) Also, why not have Microsoft send out one of those messages they send out when Xbox Live will be going down. Except have it say something along the lines of "For all Halo 3 players, any modded content found on your fileshare will result in a permenant ban from xbox live/Halo 3 Matchmaking(Whatever you're doing)." You could even give a small explenation of what modded content is so no one can claim to be ignorant. Let me know what you think [Edited on 07.09.2008 12:22 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] L00 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] monstes jars Yeah, i guess your right. Technically the people who have modded content are breaking the Code of Conduct. I guess theres no going around it. However, as far as my opinion goes i still think they shouldn't be banned. But to be honest i have no idea why i'm arguing about this. I don't give a crap about modded content. I guess i just like being a nonconformist whenever possible. [/quote]I'm definitely not discouraging your (or anyone else's) nonconformity. It just seems to me that agreeing to your [url=http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/legal/?WT.svl=nav]Terms of Use[/url]*, then not following through on what you agreed to is dishonest. That I'm not such a big fan of. *Linked for everyone's convenience; if you agreed to them without reading them, please do yourself a favor and go read them! [/quote] Do you honestly think the people here will actually read them? They just click ACCEPT because its in big letters! Trust me. No one will.
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modded maps are not all that great i dont know why people put them in their file share anyway cuz these modded maps will never be as awesome as halo 2 modded maps which did get out of control in matchmaking.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Drizzt1138 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] L00 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Niko Jims . . . If they did ban you and you had never had any modded content on it, legal action could be taken. And if you did you could just delete every map off your harddrive and say you never had any. They would have no proof and I am sure you would win. And I doubt Bungie wants to waste their time on something that they have less than 25% chance of winning . . . [/quote]You'd have absolutely no chance of winning that case. Your Terms of Use say that your XBox Live service can be terminated in full or in part at any time with or without warning. They don't even have to give you a reason.[/quote] LOL He read the Terms of Use like an intelligent human. I wonder how many of those there are. I rad the Terms. If you haven't you'd be surprised what MS can do.[/quote] Wow someone actually read them. I was waiting for someone to agree because I wrote a lot or someone to say "Bungie is right always!". Yes I actually read them too. So did my brother. It took forever to read but we did. It sucks that they can. I salute you for reading them. You are probably the 5th person to read them lol.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] monstes jars Yeah, i guess your right. Technically the people who have modded content are breaking the Code of Conduct. I guess theres no going around it. However, as far as my opinion goes i still think they shouldn't be banned. But to be honest i have no idea why i'm arguing about this. I don't give a crap about modded content. I guess i just like being a nonconformist whenever possible. [/quote]I'm definitely not discouraging your (or anyone else's) nonconformity. It just seems to me that agreeing to your [url=http://www.xbox.com/en-US/live/legal/?WT.svl=nav]Terms of Use[/url]*, then not following through on what you agreed to is dishonest. That I'm not such a big fan of. *Linked for everyone's convenience; if you agreed to them without reading them, please do yourself a favor and go read them!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] L00 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] monstes jars [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SPORKWOUND57 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] monstes jars SO let me get this straight. Instead of banning the Modders and Glitchers who make the pictures WE get banned? Bungie sure does know what their doing. PS - Although the Code of Conduct says you cannot have modified content it is not our fault for having it and we shouldn't get banned. If your local grocery store started selling guns illegally and you bought one, just like everyone else, why should the people get punsished? I would understand if they confiscated all the guns from the buyers, but they have no right to punish them. At least that's my opinion anyways. [/quote] You would get in trouble if you bought an illegal hand gun.[/quote] I guess analogies don't work to well with this, but what i meant is that you DID NOT know they where being sold illegally. To you, it just seemed like a good deal. See, thats the case with the modded content. Alot of people did'nt know it was illegal. Of course, if someone bothered to do a backup check on the guns being sold they would find out they where illegal. Same goes for the modded content. If people took the time to read the Code of Conduct they would have realized they where illegal. However, people are lazy and laziness is not a crime. I have no problem with Bungie removing the maps, but punishing people for having them is unjust, in my humble opinion. [/quote]But again, your right to say, "I didn't know," disappeared when you accepted your Terms of Use for Live. You've already said that you read and accept those terms, so they already have proof that you knew it wasn't allowed. I know a lot of people don't read those things, but that's their own fault. Don't sign stuff you haven't read. Ever.[/quote] Yeah, i guess your right. Technically the people who have modded content are breaking the Code of Conduct. I guess theres no going around it. However, as far as my opinion goes i still think they shouldn't be banned. But to be honest i have no idea why i'm arguing about this. I don't give a crap about modded content. I guess i just like being a nonconformist whenever possible.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] monstes jars [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SPORKWOUND57 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] monstes jars SO let me get this straight. Instead of banning the Modders and Glitchers who make the pictures WE get banned? Bungie sure does know what their doing. PS - Although the Code of Conduct says you cannot have modified content it is not our fault for having it and we shouldn't get banned. If your local grocery store started selling guns illegally and you bought one, just like everyone else, why should the people get punsished? I would understand if they confiscated all the guns from the buyers, but they have no right to punish them. At least that's my opinion anyways. [/quote] You would get in trouble if you bought an illegal hand gun.[/quote] I guess analogies don't work to well with this, but what i meant is that you DID NOT know they where being sold illegally. To you, it just seemed like a good deal. See, thats the case with the modded content. Alot of people did'nt know it was illegal. Of course, if someone bothered to do a backup check on the guns being sold they would find out they where illegal. Same goes for the modded content. If people took the time to read the Code of Conduct they would have realized they where illegal. However, people are lazy and laziness is not a crime. I have no problem with Bungie removing the maps, but punishing people for having them is unjust, in my humble opinion. [/quote]But again, your right to say, "I didn't know," disappeared when you accepted your Terms of Use for Live. You've already said that you read and accept those terms, so they already have proof that you knew it wasn't allowed. I know a lot of people don't read those things, but that's their own fault. Don't sign stuff you haven't read. Ever.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SPORKWOUND57 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] monstes jars SO let me get this straight. Instead of banning the Modders and Glitchers who make the pictures WE get banned? Bungie sure does know what their doing. PS - Although the Code of Conduct says you cannot have modified content it is not our fault for having it and we shouldn't get banned. If your local grocery store started selling guns illegally and you bought one, just like everyone else, why should the people get punsished? I would understand if they confiscated all the guns from the buyers, but they have no right to punish them. At least that's my opinion anyways. [/quote] You would get in trouble if you bought an illegal hand gun.[/quote] I guess analogies don't work to well with this, but what i meant is that you DID NOT know they where being sold illegally. To you, it just seemed like a good deal. See, thats the case with the modded content. Alot of people did'nt know it was illegal. Of course, if someone bothered to do a backup check on the guns being sold they would find out they where illegal. Same goes for the modded content. If people took the time to read the Code of Conduct they would have realized they where illegal. However, people are lazy but laziness is not a crime. I have no problem with Bungie removing the maps, but punishing people for having them is unjust, in my humble opinion. PS - I realize now this was a horrible analogy to try to represent what i'm trying to convey. [Edited on 07.09.2008 12:06 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Drizzt1138 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SPORKWOUND57 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] monstes jars SO let me get this straight. Instead of banning the Modders and Glitchers who make the pictures WE get banned? Bungie sure does know what their doing. PS - Although the Code of Conduct says you cannot have modified content it is not our fault for having it and we shouldn't get banned. If your local grocery store started selling guns illegally and you bought one, just like everyone else, why should the people get punsished? I would understand if they confiscated all the guns from the buyers, but they have no right to punish them. At least that's my opinion anyways. [/quote] You would get in trouble if you bought an illegal hand gun.[/quote] But it isn't his fault he bought it. He only possesses the illegal hand gun. Its really the sellers fault for offering it to him. (Deep sarcasm intended)[/quote]Obviously! If they start arresting people for frivolous things like that, next thing you know they'll be [i]charging[/i] people with stuff like, "possession of a controlled substance" or somesuch!
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SPORKWOUND57 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] monstes jars SO let me get this straight. Instead of banning the Modders and Glitchers who make the pictures WE get banned? Bungie sure does know what their doing. PS - Although the Code of Conduct says you cannot have modified content it is not our fault for having it and we shouldn't get banned. If your local grocery store started selling guns illegally and you bought one, just like everyone else, why should the people get punsished? I would understand if they confiscated all the guns from the buyers, but they have no right to punish them. At least that's my opinion anyways. [/quote] You would get in trouble if you bought an illegal hand gun.[/quote] But it isn't his fault he bought it. He only possesses the illegal hand gun. Its really the sellers fault for offering it to him. (Deep sarcasm intended)
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Niko Jims Modding is not cheating. They mod maps and gametypes, not Matchmaking. Just take every modded map off your fileshare and you are clear. I really don't think they can ban you for having it on your harddrive because 1.They have no evidence of this and 2.You could put it on a memory card. If they did ban you and you had never had any modded content on it, legal action could be taken. And if you did you could just delete every map off your harddrive and say you never had any. They would have no proof and I am sure you would win. And I doubt Bungie wants to waste their time on something that they have less than 25% chance of winning. The only modding that was cheating was in Halo 2. The modders do not have the equipment to mod Halo 3 Matchmaking.[/quote] You really don't think Xbox Live can detect modified content on your hard drive? Are you willing to take that gamble? [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Im a Ninja Also, why not have Microsoft send out one of those messages they send out when Xbox Live will be going down. Except have it say something along the lines of "For all Halo 3 players, any modded content found on your fileshare will result in a permenant ban from xbox live/Halo 3 Matchmaking(Whatever you're doing)." You could even give a small explenation of what modded content is so no one can claim to be ignorant. Let me know what you think.[/quote] No one can claim ignorance as it is. They've already been given a definition of modding, and it has been against the rules since any one signed up for Xbox Live. Think of it this way; Bungie is being nice about it right now. [Edited on 07.09.2008 12:01 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] L00 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Niko Jims . . . If they did ban you and you had never had any modded content on it, legal action could be taken. And if you did you could just delete every map off your harddrive and say you never had any. They would have no proof and I am sure you would win. And I doubt Bungie wants to waste their time on something that they have less than 25% chance of winning . . . [/quote]You'd have absolutely no chance of winning that case. Your Terms of Use say that your XBox Live service can be terminated in full or in part at any time with or without warning. They don't even have to give you a reason.[/quote] LOL He read the Terms of Use like an intelligent human. I wonder how many of those there are. I rad the Terms. If you haven't you'd be surprised what MS can do.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] monstes jars SO let me get this straight. Instead of banning the Modders and Glitchers who make the pictures WE get banned? Bungie sure does know what their doing. PS - Although the Code of Conduct says you cannot have modified content it is not our fault for having it and we shouldn't get banned. If your local grocery store started selling guns illegally and you bought one, just like everyone else, why should the people get punsished? I would understand if they confiscated all the guns from the buyers, but they have no right to punish them. At least that's my opinion anyways. [/quote] You would get in trouble if you bought an illegal hand gun.
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SO let me get this straight. Instead of banning the Modders and Glitchers who make the pictures WE get banned? Bungie sure does know what their doing. PS - Although the Code of Conduct says you cannot have modified content it is not our fault for having it and we shouldn't get banned. If your local grocery store started selling guns illegally and you bought one, just like everyone else, why should the people who bought the guns get punished? I would understand if they confiscated all the guns from the buyers, but they have no right to punish them. At least that's my opinion anyways. [Edited on 07.09.2008 11:56 AM PDT]
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Mods=Bad If you have modded maps/pictures you should be banned.
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Two questions. I'd like a reply from a Bungie member Is it just modded content on your Fileshare?(Can you play it still just not on you're fileshare?) Also, why not have Microsoft send out one of those messages they send out when Xbox Live will be going down. Except have it say something along the lines of "For all Halo 3 players, any modded content found on your fileshare will result in a permenant ban from xbox live/Halo 3 Matchmaking(Whatever you're doing)." You could even give a small explenation of what modded content is so no one can claim to be ignorant. Let me know what you think.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Shishka [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Phoenix Boom When does the update start because, I have a small screenshot of a non-halo 3 related topic in my fileshare. I don't wish to be banned, so I need to know when it is released. I also planned to keep some of my downloaded modded shots and maps, on my hardrive, for entertainment.[/quote] Oh my god. Did you really pick a thread where people are discussing how modded content on your fileshare can get you banned to announce that you have modded content on your file share? Seriously? I can't even figure out how you figure out how to sit up in the morning, let alone use a computer. You'll note that one particular offending file is no longer on your file share. Consider that the shot across your nose. Remove any and all other modded content from your fileshare immediately, or kiss access to your fileshare goodbye.[/quote] ROFLCOPTER. I almost fell out of my chair laughing at this guy's ignorance and then again at Shiska'a response. Now on to what I was going to say. I'm glad they are getting a hold on this early. It became too much of a problem in H2 and I don't want H3 going down the same road.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Niko Jims . . . If they did ban you and you had never had any modded content on it, legal action could be taken. And if you did you could just delete every map off your harddrive and say you never had any. They would have no proof and I am sure you would win. And I doubt Bungie wants to waste their time on something that they have less than 25% chance of winning . . . [/quote]You'd have absolutely no chance of winning that case. Your Terms of Use say that your XBox Live service can be terminated in full or in part at any time with or without warning. They don't even have to give you a reason.
