Been to the same moon landing episode too? /s In all seriousness, there was direct chemical evidence no one can explain surrounding 9/11 and nearest sources pointed at Afghanistan, then Iraq after we went in. Please don't bother showing those links on any other website. 9/11 was not an inside job. At all. As for Bungie, any developer could take some time to honor those who gave their lives in service to their country and those who died on 9/11.

That's just ignorant. So evidence appeared out of no where years later that made u people destroy another sovereign country

[quote]So evidence appeared out of no where years later[/quote] Evidence appeared directly at the fall of the centers live streams as well as the chemical analysis found on the entire ground zero foundation. This is hardly "appearing" as you are trying to say. Secondly, the CIA had already confirmed intel that operations for suspected pilot training related to Al Qaeda had kicked up for almost 9 months before the attack. Six different agencies in four separate countries confirmed: attack on U.S. soil imminent. Keep believing the close minded thought process and conspiracy theorists based on one segment of the investigation which coordinated four countries to investigate the occurrences and theories.

What if the CIA "confirmation" was just icing they put on that cake they gave to you? #illuminticonfirmed

They released the satellite photos of it. I take it they doctored those too and told the other three countries to follow suit? Seriously, "what if's" and grabbing at straws is not going to convince anything with me. Show me evidence which contradicts it, not videos showing buildings and telling a story with a narrator and then I'll change my stance.

Watch this as well[spoiler]Rethink your life[/spoiler]

There's too many counters to all of that: Attack on the World Trade Center previously which A.Q. took credit for. All those comics: seen by A.Q. Three countries outside of the United States reporting to NATO of increased pilot training occurring 9 months before 9/11. Designers and security professionals flat out saying on record there would be an attack on the World Trade Center. The national religion of Iraq and Afghanistan promoting religious intolerance and specific quotes, made by terrorists including the ones who chopped off the reporters head recently, which indicate they have no remorse for anyone being killed or otherwise. They glorify it. I'll play humor with you and say that even if all of this was provable and happened, I'd rather not have insane radicals who should be in an insane asylum running around chopping people's hands off in africa, or committing genocide of different belief systems just because of what they believe, ect. running around in the world. We have enough of that just in the United States and the EU without letting people run around with AK 47's and missiles being used against unarmed women and children as well as schools.

So in all your historical research, you would already know about the previous time the World Trade Center was attacked, I think it was in 1993. You know the one where the FBI paid a guy to get a few other guys to set off a real bomb there, but it was paraded around as a "terrorist attack". (Which is similar to what they still do now. Look up the statistics for how many terrorist attacks that are foiled are instigated by the FBI cajoling, bribing, and arming "homegrown terrorists". There was even a big story about it on NPR.) Do you know what Operation Northwoods was? Are you aware that the Gulf of Tonkin incident, the attack that kickstarted the Vietnam War, was fabricated? This was verified by McNamara before he died and the truth came out via a FOIA request. Are you starting to see a pattern here? An impetus for war is created, manufactured, fabricated, or contrived, then the propaganda is rolled out and anyone not wearing a yellow ribbon and waving a flag is shamed into being patriotic. You know, a certain German leader burnt down his own Reichstag and blamed Poland so they could go to war. With regard to your reply that is prompting this response, NO, No, and no, Al-Qaeda never took responsibility for WTC. The alleged hijackers who were on those planes flew in the CIA backed flight school while they were living on US military bases, and per the instructors, the couple that attended failed miserably at flying Cessnas, not to mention how vastly different that is from flying airliners. You keep mentioning chemical evidence taken from the scene... That proves what? In what context are you referring to the evidence and what it reveals. Oh, and back to those alleged hijackers, you know a lot of them are alive right? Like, they've been on the equivalent of Israeli Tonight Show and talked about how weird it was to show up in American Media as wanted terrorists when some were simply a student or bartender, etc. You know, there's the whole part about Norman Maneta, then Transportation Secretary, telling Congress he thinks Flight 93 was shot down over Shanksville, which would explain why there is no crash, but wreckage strewn for miles, as opposed to the Hollywood movie made story about Marines saving the day by commandeering the cabin and crashing it into a field. Maneta was also in the NORAD bunker with VP Dick Cheney when all that was happening and he has some interesting remarks, again as told to Congress. I could go on and on ad anauseum, ad infinitum about the discrepancies with the Official Story (which the 9/11 commission is loaded with, not unlike the Warren Commission that shat the "magic bullet" theory in Kennedy's death, ex. They thought that WTC 7 was so important to the events that happened that day, it is entirely omitted from the text of the 9/11 Commission) and the blunders the media has twisted and spun since that day. I was working at Rent a Center and we had every TV lit up with every channel. All day people were talking about explosions in the lobby, explosions in the sub-basements (completely opposite of where planes hit). I don't want to waste anymore time with this, I have games to play. I used to tell people how foolish and naive they were when they swallowed the story the media and the government feeds people, but I had to remember I didn't pop out of the womb a skeptic. I'll leave you with this little link, since you appear to snub your your nose at "conspiracy theorists". Please disregard the source, Infowars; I simply grabbed the first link after Googling. Since you like to tell people how wrong they are and then regurgitate things the media and government says, I'll trust that you'll be a good scholar and verify the sources for each of these theories that turned out to be true. You can even use Wikipedia, as unreliable as it is, because all of these alleged theories are now in the public domain as common knowledge. Go back to sleep, your government loves you. http://www.infowars.com/33-conspiracy-theories-that-turned-out-to-be-true-what-every-person-should-know/

[quote]You know the one where the FBI paid a guy to get a few other guys to set off a real bomb there, but it was paraded around as a "terrorist attack".[/quote] Actually that story was fabricated specifically because ground zero stories indicated that a vehicle was used as the primary ignition source. It was estimated to detonate the pillars though and that is why the FBI was given proper authority in the matter as well as credibility. Still though, I'm aware of that and how there's still missing pieces in the story so... [quote](Which is similar to what they still do now. Look up the statistics for how many terrorist attacks that are foiled are instigated by the FBI cajoling, bribing, and arming "homegrown terrorists". There was even a big story about it on NPR.)[/quote] I got a revelation for you: The corrupt and dishonest person, regardless of intent or opportunity given, who willingly takes on assignments pertaining to terrorism IS a terrorist. There is no country, in the WORLD, which will say it is ok. Societies build themselves to alienate and get rid of the rabble, trash, and those without the ideals to co-exist within it's boundaries. Or did you so quickly forget that every year there is a terrorist based attack which occurs on U.S. soil because of people who accept bribes or otherwise. If you are truly curious about this. Go look into Great Britains government using car bombs to train it's populace to react to terror with calmness. They implemented this in the event of another world war destroying the population which, during WW2, had people panic and ultimately killed HALF of the fleeing populace when their cities were destroyed. You think that kind of genocide isn't capable by A.Q.? By ISIS? By any of the other 159 known terrorist cells just in Asia? Don't get ashamed for thinking the way you. Just be realistic. We are hardly an informed society. Primarily, because people panic and scare way too easily. This wasn't true of the previous generations. We'd rather move into socialism elements of happiness and deceit by our elected leaders is what media reporters actually cover today rather then the truth of the situations. [quote]Do you know what Operation Northwoods was?[/quote] We will never know what goes on in Cuba anymore. It's more messed up then Iraq. I know what it is, but to be honest, that country needs to get it's shit together before I start vouching for it. More corruption there then in Mexico. [quote]Are you aware that the Gulf of Tonkin incident, the attack that kickstarted the Vietnam War, was fabricated?[/quote] All those pieces of evidence were never confirmed. By any country for that matter. The Vietnam War, as well as quite a few incidents, is based on quite a few things, but the biggest is just that: mistrust and misrepresentation of the facts. Don't worry, you're on the right track. Eventually you will discover the truth that anything reported to people, regardless of "professional" input is based on an understanding of one system, multiple rules, multiple contexts and situations, and lastly, multiple understandings of the same topic. If you want an example to understand what I mean, just ask yourself this: When dealing with a computer software problem or equivalent of the blue screen of death,, what is the best IT person title to ask? Correct answer: None of them. Not even the guys who have been doing it for fifty years. Why? Because the blue screen of death is not a natural computer function like the ping of death on the internet. To try and understand the complexity of all the networking components which contribute, to try and understand the basic software packaging relating to the BSoD, and the engineering components used just to make a real time display work is physically impossible. It is no different with the chemical analysis of 9/11, it is no different with the "he said, they said, she said" incidents going on with the FBI, NSA, or otherwise. There is too much we simply do not understand and have yet to produce someone who is capable of understanding. All that matters is it works and it typically doesn't kill people outside of when it is needed: war. [quote]You know, a certain German leader burnt down his own Reichstag and blamed Poland so they could go to war. [/quote] I take it you are still caught up on the "communism is bad" segment too? Communism is just another system. Whether it is fair? Since when has life been fair to any man, woman, or child? Whatever your answer, let's just enjoy Destiny? Alright? lol...

I'm not talking about Communism. I'm talking about Adolf destroying the German Parliament and blaming Poland, all as an impetus to start a war. Again, you referred to chemical evidence, and you have yet to explain in what context. The big glaring chemical evidence I know about is the nano-thermite recovered from the debris. That's the stuff that is used to gut steel girders in controlled demolitions. I don't know what chemical evidence you're referring to because you won't say what it implies. Operation Northwoods was a government proposed idea to attack American soil and blame Cuba so a war could be started, not something Cuba did do or was planning to do. Really, you having a myopic POV is limiting your ability to have this discussion. You're completely disregarding things I've stated, you've acted erudite in your replies, as if you know what you're talking about, and you repeatedly bring up things then give no context. You sir, are not one to debate with. I can give sources all day for the things I say. All you seem to lend to your discourse is media spin. You should seek a job in politics at this rate. Really... I have nothing more to say to you. Just take comfort in realizing you really have no clue what you're talking about and should probably stay away from discussions you're not prepared to engage in without data and sources. You should do a bit more reading of books and not cursory Google searches and YouTube viewings if you want to get into this sort of conversation. It doesn't matter if you make long winded posts if they have no substance. Have a quality time playing Destiny.

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I've actually seen that video not on youtube and two years ago I said the same thing: Creating a story to highlight the inconsistencies of 9/11 without actually performing the due tests and procedures NEEDED to replicate a fire of that magnitude, in a controlled environment AND situation for that duration of time is like saying a tiny experiment on making plane fuel which proves successful is supposed to be true for all experiments on making plane fuel. You might not know this fact, but normal plane and premium jet fuel, in every controlled environment, has a 28% chance of failing and exploding with the scientist present JUST because of the ingredients used to make it combining badly. On 9/11, you had ventilation shafts, a/c unit pressure and choke points, as well as a previous history of an attempt by controlled drugs and substances which tried to blow up the World Trade Center and the evidence directly linked itself to A.Q.. The evidence is there, it always has been and the more you try and say a mountain of a building could withstanding the speed, impact, and trajectory of a plane and still stand is like telling a child to stand up to a tank filled with explosive fuel. Again, telling a story, coming up with these conspiracy theories does not take away from the truth. Because these people, and those who follow it, can only piece together a single story, with a single or multiple outcomes, and then say it could have been the truth of the situation especially when they aren't creatively capable of figuring out that for every scenario they can think up, there is more AND/or less theories which show it can. Having numbers on your side does not denote truth. It only denotes a biased stance on the situation. The truth of the matter is 3k people are dead, many more soldiers are dead, and lots of innocent civilians are dead. All because of people who want to hit first and then raise their hands up and say, "Wasn't me". Welcome to life.

I don't think you are a physics major that has done the "research and legwork". You've assumed a position and you're being obtuse in remaining stalwart. You keep blathering about evidence and conspiracy theorists are wrong, yet nothing you're saying has any substance or is flatout wrong. Here's a couple videos from an MIT student who HAS done the legwork and research. Watch these two videos, they're small, and follow the links to the sources for what he is saying, then get back to us. All you're doing is spreading the same disinformation the media spins. Goebbels would be proud. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW23PuBKiA0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DNDurCBIqek Please stop trying to be right, you're not helping.

[quote]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW23PuBKiA0[/quote] Not to contradict his facts, but there is quite a few documentaries floating around surrounding 9/11, but the most dominant is the one I cannot locate anymore about the head of security, the director of security, and the private security companies involvement with the help or should I say lack thereof, in evacuating the world trade center. In it, I learned there was an evacuation plan planned exactly 6 months in advance to the day, made by all the people involved without any consent to any government authority and specifically directed all members to evacuate in the stairwells rather then use the elevators. This was due to the elevators specifically having weight and counterbalance issues. Now many people naturally arrive at the conclusion this helps promote that conspiracy theory, but remember that those elevators are water counter balanced measures. You can't counterbalance those elevators. Those elevators are fit with more counter measures, just on the premise of how they are built, in order to never have a freefall effect. That's literally it. The notes, are without a doubt, doctored. But to insinuate this means to bring another investigation into the fray. One which specifically has already been conducted by the WTC security personnel. Having worked in Information Security, this means two things to me: Confidentiality and Accessibility as well as Integrity of the documentation was incomplete. But the principles used on building this are, also, checkable. That is what the documentary was telling. The fact checking done indicated another party involvement. One without anyone's consent actually being PRESENT. That means the government agencies directly involved (not indirectly), not the three security firms helping out. So at that point, what do you have? Well, it's the WTC. There's every country in the world being operated through that building. Which ones aren't? Any which aren't sovereign nations. That's who. So it's a giant pickle with ten thousands rivers dealt before you. Results like this are what the video DIDN'T show. Your first linked video specifically avoided that. I found that a little odd since this person is an MIT student and I haven't met those without that kind of intelligence in a long time. Not to say they aren't smart on the primary reason they are in MIT, but specifically putting down a bunch of names and people correlated and ignoring known facts brought to light by the British and French governments means this person is telling an agenda possibly. Sorry, but I got three minutes in and already I can tell what is going on here. As I said before, I am not here to highlight inconsistencies made by others, but please note that all the pieces in the puzzle will never fit. History was built on such principles in order to tell the full story to only those who are capable to understand it. To date, many philosophers and researchers cannot begin to identify where this pathological gene begins, ends, or stops it's involvement so until such time as the human mind is fully understood? I will remain the guy who walks on both sides of the road and probably gets viewed as insane more often just for understanding all sides of the coin including the edges. If you want the correct answers, just make up your own mind, have and opinion, and don't trounce on others for having one. Just let them state it, get on with your own understandings, and just remember that the solution is what we are striving for. Not the understanding of the problem which won't help you at all besides get angry at society (which, since your angry, will get you no where. Peace, calm, tranquility will get you what you want).