Ok complain about the fanboys defending it all you want, but when you bring up points that ppl defend try and bring up VALID ones. [quote]No split screen? That's a big flaw "Modern games have no need for split screen" "Split screen holds the game back" Really? If Bungie had added split screen I can guarantee that no one will be complaining how split screen is such a thing of the past [/quote] It's not that split screen is obsolete, or a thing of the past. It's that split screen wouldn't fit into the overall aspect of destiny. Say you have a PS4, a friend comes over and wants to "Split screen" destiny with you, well you can't split screen cause you would need to sign in with another account to play. "Well they could just copy may char and play as SpoiledBrat(2). Yea...so that the guy that just picks up the controller gets to have all the exotics and gear people will have been working months on to achieve ya right. Split screen doesn't fit into the whole "slight MMO feel" of destiny never has any MMO ever allowed split screen. [quote]No proximity chat Another big one With how much Bungie is emphasizing teamwork, you would expect a ways to communicate with others right? You're seriously very alone in the "social" world of Destiny "I don't want people raging through my mic" Then mute them Is it really that hard to spend five seconds to mute someone??[/quote] Well the reverse arguement can be made here.You want to talk to someone, invite them to a party on your console or a Fire Team. Is it really that hard to spend 5 seconds to send someone an invite.I personally love the fact that i don't have to mute anyone cause if i wanted to talk to them i would just invite them to a party. [quote]Now after the beta and you get more and more info, toy realize that the content is much smaller than you thought and that it doesn't live up to expectations You then try to push the problem away by saying "DLC! DLC!" "Private matches in DLC" "More planets in DLC" Seriously, the fact that there are DLCs in the first place is terrible The game should come with the full game Not as a disc with downloads later on Trust me, DLCs don't offer that much From what I've seen of Destiny, DLCs are likely to include -Couple of new missions -Some new guns and items -New maps Do you really expect this game to be all that?? [/quote] See now this is just ignorant, I've rode the hype train with Bungie before, Halo was way to over hyped. You can't expect everything you hear from friends or on the internet to be true, or to take all the "CONCEPTS" the Developers have for the game during creation to heart.And as for DLC there are many Games that have released relevant and good DLC with much more to offer than a few new maps and guns, not every game that uses DLC is battlefield or CoD. The destiny DLC are more likely to be like WoW "expansion" on which they will like increase the level cap and add whole NEW areas to the game.You say "From what i've seen of destiny DLCs" and then list off a small list that you probably made up with no actual factual backing, seeing on how all we know of Destiny's DLC is that the first one drops in December, no other REAL information after that. the rest is pretty much all spot on the fanboys are destroying the community but alot of it is cause the 30000000000000000000000000000 threads all crying cause no split screen or prox chat, neither of which are legitimate issues that take anything away from the game other than pissing off a few ppl like yourself that feel like the lack of either take away from the game and make it less complete.