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Clans are only allowed 100 members total | Petition to raise it!

[i]-This is better suited in #Destiny than #Clans. #Clans is a recruiting environment, and this deals with effects of clans on gameplay-[/i] For those of you who don't know, clans are only allowed to contain 100 members and bigger clans are shun. We want 500 or preferably unlimited. This is the second petition we're starting. The first petition was [b]successful[/b], we raised the clanmate cap from the original 75, albeit it was only raised 25. It's now 100. Goes to show [b]we have a good chance to raise it [u]again[/u] with your support[/b]. Reasons why the clan limit should be above 100; click spoiler. [spoiler] Personally, I don't favour the limits imposed on us to maintain. I feel less and less of a clan founder and more as a member of my own clan. If I'm not allowed to manage my own clan in the hierarchy that I want, that's unacceptable. Many people approach me on this topic with reasonable misconceptions, to which they usually assume that once large clans arrive small clans will dissipate. This is never the case, and I hope people stop arguing that small clans will not exist. If you want to make a small clan you can, even if the number is unlimited or larger. My clan for example is stopping at 150 members, and we arranged this number before the limit was set. This is set in stone, we can be intimate in the same regard if we chose to. We have the freedom to do that, and if big clans exist you may still have your intimate ones. Clans have different purposes though, some are matchmaking, some are for PvE and some do tournaments. Each clans should be different and not be normalized, give more freedom to the owners so that we may. Firstly, I fully understand Bungie's argument to keep clan numbers low, it isn't an awful argument, they say they want members to know each other. Even with 100 members I find it difficult to know each one and be a close knit like they say. This is possible but I still see little difference when you compare it to big clans. In big clans you will find friends too, and make your small groups within that big group. This is very similar, I can be friends with 100 out of 500 in my clan and still be happy. So, with that, Bungie's only argument thus far, I see broken. Secondly, "I don't know why you would need 500 people all to play with at the same time" - I've gotten this response many times. Well to that I parallel, why would you desire to play with 100 at the same time? We both know it's impossible in Destiny. On my Xbox 360 friendlist, the maximum is 100. I have 100 friends right now, and usually 20 are online at peak, and 0-5 during sleeping hours. They're playing different games, but the way I see it with 100 you wouldn't have a huge selection of friends to play with. Would you rather have 100 or 10 people? Sometimes those 10 might not even want to do matchmaking, they might want a strike. Not everyone's needs can be met, although with more people this seems simpler. Additionally, private lobbies have been hinted to be evolving into Destiny. Will tournaments be easier to prepare for and have more participants with more or less members? To which I would assume, more. What about weekly training? What about clan battles? What about any mode in general? You guessed it. Thirdly, "Large clans would dominate PvP" - How is that possible, my good friends, when only 5 of your friends can be in matchmaking at the same time? I would rather think the members are the ones who dominate rather than the clan, as it should be. I might have a different opinion if, for example, there were a clan leader board. If there were a clan leader board then still I see no difference, personally. 500 members maximum vs 100 would still be scored the same, just more members to incorporate. As a last reminder... This isn't a battle of which is better, but different clans have different purposes. If I wanted to host tournaments, it would be more ideal for my clan to have a larger active player count. Also, be a little empathetic. I don't want to have to kick 50 members from my clan personally, and my alliance owner has 1,500 members. He will have to end up kicking 1,400 members or end up having to personally message 1,400 of them to leave main clan and join subclan #9, #13, #2. That's an extreme amount of work just to begin with, also personally I wouldn't enjoy being told to leave and join the secondary clan. [/spoiler] [b]Additional request[/b]: Split Xbox360/Xbox one clan numbers. Currently they are completely grouped, so 100 clan mates can be 50 on Xbox One and 50 on Xbox 360, or alternative 99 on Xbox One and 1 on Xbox 360. That's awful because that makes clans even smaller. Split it up! [i]I don't like polls, I won't make one. They are too biased, members will vote before reading most of the time. Also, Bungie made a poll in response to our first petition asking players what size clan they'd rather have. The 3 options were "Juggernaut Size!", "Intimacy, I want to know all of my clan mates", and "Idc". I couldn't help but wonder what the results would be like if the options instead were "Unlimited", "Limited to 100" and "Idc". The results would look something like the responses in the threads, where a majority is voting for unlimited or bigger counts.[/i]
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  • It should be 200 at tops not 100.
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  • As founder of a 2000+ member clan I incur this problem each and every day. Everyone would like to set it as their active clan and have "Total Dominance" display proudly under their gamer tags. Unfortunately I am met with countless messages and have to tell members that they are simply out of luck. Ideally the cap will be raised even if it's a "Next Gen Only" as I understand there are hardware performance restrictions etc.
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  • Make a sister clan
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  • I would like this and your argument is very well thought out. The clan I'm in is technically big, the founder went around the cap limit by making one main clan where everybody talks and making multiple sub clans with the same name.
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    • Raise it up!
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    • Let's raise the cap limit to clan members. This issue limits the interaction we can have with other players and to further enjoy this game even more. Please Bungie fix this that would be great
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    • agreed
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    • 100% behind this. If the only way to socialize with clan is through this website, it should offer us the ability to have clans with more than just 100 people. A 1000 or 10k would be great. Though it is better than 75 originally, but still you can't count on everyone to be active in the clan. As well it would be even better if clan creators would have an option of how many members they can have, as I understand not everyone wants to have 100 people or unlimited, some may want to just have a clan that is made just for friends.
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      • We want more members in our clans. #makeithappenbungie
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        • Bungie, please raise or remove the clan cap. I want to join a clan that has over 2400 people wanting clan membership. Please remove membership barriers like membership caps.
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        • Clans suck.
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        • Signed
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        • With 100 members you have enough to do everything what you want. Nobody needs more, everybody wants more and that´s stupid ! If you have 100 active members and you need more, then you can ask again but to ask now for something you dont know is stupid.
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          • It is weird that they decied to group up Xbox360 and XboxOne players into the same pool, does this also affect the PS3/PS4?
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          • Edited by Anatamize: 8/30/2014 5:41:46 PM
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            • agreed most people wont be able to play at the same time due to time zone differences and many different responsibilities.
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            • bump 100 isn't enough >.<
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            • If you want more members. Form an alliance. A clan is no linger a clan when u dont know other members. U should be able to name 90-100% of your members. And u should know them well. Otherwise ur just a mob.
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              • I need AT LEAST 164 spots. I have a BF4 Platoon with that many members that are coming over to Destiny.
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                • They should definitly raise the cap. This way we wont have those subclans anymore because the original ones are full. One big community is better!
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                  • I agree!!
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                  • Why can't the leaders decide on the member limit? If a clan wants to go small and intimate that's great! But what about the clans that want hundreds of members. I agree with Anatamize nobody wants to be told "oh sorry we hit the limit. You're out but here's another clan". Also KhalKiritio makes a great point you can always meet new people in your clan even if it's a large clan.
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                  • Why are you people so ungrateful? Bungie makes an amazing game and you people keep demanding more and more. Clearly bungie has a reason for limited clan numbers, and if you don't respect bungie's view for the game then don't play it. Jeez, I can't believe all these ungrateful forum posts.
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                    • That's why you have a group with thousands of people on b.net and then you have sub groups that are the actual in-game clans (example: SSE has around 1400 members but they are divided into 14 waves of 100). I would much rather have 100 people on my friend list that I know ass opposed to 1000 that I don't.
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                      • They want everyone to know everyone in the clan. Thats why. no need to raise it. People want to petition everything.
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                        • A lot of people don't seem to understand that people can be intimate in larger groups... Or at least, smaller groups will always be more intimate than larger crowds. Have you ever gone to a music gig or a festival? If so, chances are you've met a complete stranger and became friends solely because of a uniting factor, the music you like... The same can be said of larger clans, I've made new friends amongst my clan solely because we share the same banner! While we may not have the intimacy of smaller groups, there's always someone new for me to meet or play with. I don't want to be restricted with a clan cap, meaning I can't go out into the wild with my clan tag strapped to my call sign! Just because smaller clans benefit from a clan cap, doesn't mean having a larger cap will negatively effect them! However, a smaller cap will always have a negative effect on the larger clans of this community. If the clan cap is removed, there will ultimately be more intimacy in various ways! If not, it will be the same but more people will be happy with their ability to represent their clan with the clan tag... This thread only goes to show I'm not the only one who feels this way towards the matter. Bungie, where's the empathy dudes?
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