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7/22/2014 3:50:50 PM
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The truth: Because society is teaching generations of kids that being a pervert is ok - that sin is ok - that there is no God and you can do whatever you want - EXCEPT believe in God and have morals and values. Those things are bad, according to our schools, our government and our media. The concept of "tolerance" is a liberal construct and in almost every situation only goes one way - you either believe as they do ( liberals ) or else. They who are always screaming their heads off about tolerance are most often the very same people who have none when it comes to anyone disagreeing with their twisted beliefs, or lack thereof. Truth hurts maybe, but there it is. Oh and the values of Christianity make the unbeliever feel like crap about their own lives - mostly because they don't have a clue about what Christianity is really all about, b/c they've been lied to by a society that only values selfishness and sin.
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  • No one taught me to be a perv. I like women with fatties. Since Kindergaten.

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  • This post is gold. I can do nothing but assume it is satire.

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  • [quote]society is teaching generations of kids that being a pervert is ok[/quote] Your truth looks like its a few cards short.

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  • I've found that liberals/left-wing have more hatred than conservatives/right-wing. Yes, there are always the extremist people, but as a whole liberals are very hateful. Just because I say that being gay is a sin, they come back with hate. And all I have for them is love. Liberals don't see their own hypocrite lies.

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  • So why in most societies that go off the deep is usually Right fundamentalist. There have been some lefties over the years. but Right Wingers? Oh man yall have left a blood trail through out history.

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  • The problem with that argument is that while you say that you offer nothing but love, in the same sentence you condemn them to hell for being who they are. You may not literally say (or even mean for that matter) that you want them to go to hell but sin (sinning?) is what gets you there and you state that their sexuality is sin. Therefore they will be going to hell. Would you want to converse or even associate yourself with someone who though you should go to hell?

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  • ^This. It's so simple.

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  • Edited by TheWowso: 7/22/2014 5:12:06 PM
    People who say what you've said don't understand Christianity, which isn't your fault. I don't want them to go to hell, nor do I condemn them because of their sexuality. It's a sin to partake in homosexuality activities, and even to have sex before marriage. In God's eyes all sin is equal. Meaning there are no degrees of sin. But the effects are different (meaning both someone who murders and someone who lies are both sinners, but the effects of their sin are different). (These next two sentences are the most important!) God doesn't hate homosexuals and neither do Christians, we love them and God loves them too. We hate the sin, not the sinner. There are those like Westboro who preach hate, but if you take the time to read the Bible that's not what you should be doing. As Christians we are suppose to love everyone, not be hateful.

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  • I like to believe that I understand christianity though you are correct I very well may not fully, but I do believe I understand what your saying and I know that you aren't trying to preach hate like the Westboro Baptist church. They represent an awful group of people, not an awful religion. But I hope that you also see my point to some extent. By condemning the act you are condemning that homosexual person's happiness to an extent. Should they never be afforded the joy of being with the one they love then? Should they have to "fake it" through a heterosexual marriage in order to not be alone the rest of their life? I'm not even *trying* to say I have all of the answers, far from it, but these are the questions that come to my mind with that argument. I do fully welcome clarification though.

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  • Well it depends on wether people are born gay or not. Like any sin, people are mislead into thinking its "okay" or "normal" or "fun." But Christians don't (or shouldn't) condemn the person, everyone can be forgiven and everyone deserves love.

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  • Ok, I might be wrong here but some one once explained it like this to me. That to balance these desires that while some men are made more feminine and women more masculine for the purpose of pairing off in a way that they are still found attractive to the opposite sex but are not put in a place of sin because of the desires attributed more often by one sex or the other.

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  • That is a good point. As a man who acts femininely or a woman who acts masculinely it is still possible to be accepted and loved by someone else. That is without doubt. But that doesn't take into account who the feminine man or masculine woman are attracted to only the feelings of those attracted to them. If a man loves another man or a woman loves another woman, they are sure to find someone of the opposite sex who loves them, the world is too big for them not to but that doesn't mean they're getting what they want.

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  • in my experience real love is about a mental connection more than a physical. If you place it on a physical desire only you can find most qualities in a physical quality in both sexes its just rarer to find a curvy man or a broad shouldered woman but they do exists. I dont want this to come across as an insult to any one so I will simply say that it is often enough that I see a woman that I thought was a man at first and a man that I thought was a woman at first. So from a physical stand point it is still possible to find some one that has the same physical qualities of the same sex in the opposite sex. With the exception of whats in a persons pants one can find a person of the opposite sex that has the desired physical image they enjoy. I once had a gay friend ask me if I ever had a desire to be with a man. When I told him no his response was. That is strange because I find all men are at least curious. Then asks me if I was sure. Once again I said no. He was of the opinion that any one could be turned gay if they would just give him a shot to show what he could do. I have even been offered money by another one of my long time gay friends. The answer to this was still no. So in my experience it has come across as if homosexuals can turn some one to be gay while at the same time saying they are born to it. I can't tell you the number of times a gay guy has told me to try it I might like it. I have also seen my friends that are lesbians do the same thing to strait girls. I have heard several stories of people that had been happy in strait marriages but when thing took a turn for the worse and after the divorce found comfort in a relationship with a same sex partner. It is stories like this that lead some to think that maybe this has less to do with genetics and more to do with emotional connection. It doesn't help that science goes back and forth and cant provide facts one way or another. They simply present the finding that they see might prove or disprove a side.

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  • Well not to overstep my boundaries here, as I know nothing about you or your "friends" other than what you've told me, but in those situations they weren't being very friendly (or a little too friendly depending on how you look at it). You had made your decision and they didn't respect it, and instead insisted that they could change you. It's the equivalent of a girl turning a guy down and the guy saying "you know you want it" when she, in fact, knows she doesn't. So that's sucky that that happened to you, it really shouldn't have. But I agree that love should be based on an emotional and mental connection rather than a physical one. I'm just also of the impression that physical traits should play a factor. On that topic though, I've also met gay people in committed relationships solely for the emotional and mental connection. They rarely if ever had sex with each other and would instead pickup one night stands but would remain "faithful" to one another (though, I guess, not in the standard sense). It was hard to wrap my head around but it was a mutual decision and both were very happy in their relationship. Should they not be allowed to be together?

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